Joe Booker
"Broadway Joe"
Born and raised in South Carolina, Joe Booker is today one of the most well-known radio personalities in Arkansas and the Director of Programming for Little Rock's Cumulus Media syndicate. His love of music and his enthusiastic and nuanced vocal performance over his long career in broadcasting earned him the moniker "Broadway Joe".
Experiencing the wanderlust familiar to any teenager, Joe joined the Air Force straight out of high school. While in Korea in 1976, Booker first got to experience the joys of radio performance. When his service ended, Joe jumped headlong into the broadcasting industry, and a legend was born.
Joe Booker entered the scene as Black radio and hip hop were seeing a surge in popularity, and he made a place for himself the same way any big name does: By learning as he went, by being himself without apology, and by committing to his audience. As a performer, Booker has the skill to adjust his presentation without discarding his individuality, and his conversations focus on not just entertaining, but also educating his community.
Listen to Learn:
- About Joe's childhood and extended family
- How Broadway Joe introduced Juneteenth celebrations to Arkansas
- The true value of community radio, and more...
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TRANSCRIPT
EPISODE 458
[INTRODUCTION]
[0:00:08] GM: Welcome to Up in Your Business with Kerry McCoy, a production of flagandbanner.com. Through storytelling, conversational interviews, and Kerry's natural curiosity, this weekly radio show and podcast offers listeners an insider's view into the commonalities of entrepreneurs, athletes, medical professionals, politicians and other successful people, all sharing their stories of success and the ups and downs of risk-taking. Connect with Kerry through her candid, funny, informative and always encouraging weekly blog. And now, it's time for Kerry McCoy to get all up in your business.
[EPISODE]
[0:00:41] KM: Thank you, son Gray. After listening to hundreds of successful people share their stories, I've noticed some reoccurring traits. Most of my guests believe in a higher power.
[0:00:52] JB: Oh, yes.
[0:00:53] KM: Have the heart of a teacher, and they all work hard. My guest today is for sure all of those. Before I introduce today's guest, I want to let you know, if you miss any part of today's show, want to share it again, or hear it again, there's a way, and son Gray will tell you how.
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[0:01:34] KM: Thank you again, Gray. Soon, you will recognize the voice of my guest today. He's been taking it to the people for over four decades, Mr. Joe Booker, known to his fans as simply, Broadway Joe. Joe's career has had too many awards and accolades to name. I can tell you this, since first coming to Arkansas in the 80s, Joe has made himself a leader in all things community. Starting at a small radio station in Lonoke, Joe has built his career on hard work and devotion to his family, craft, community, and God, and not necessarily in that order. Today, Broadway Joe is not only a broadcasting legend, who is still an on-air radio personality on KOKY, Power 92, and Praise Station, but he is also the program director for all of Cumulus Media in Little Rock, Arkansas market, and Founder of the Broadway Joe Talk Show. It is a real treat to welcome to the table the community-minded, broadcasting legend who's been taking it to the people for decades, Mr. Joe Booker, AKA Broadway Joe.
[0:02:50] JB: Hootihoo!
[0:02:52] GM: And the crowd goes wild.
[0:02:55] KM: That is a good intro, isn’t it? Like many transplants that I've interviewed on the show, people who have come, who have moved here from other places, they come to Little Rock and they stay. You came here over 40 years ago and you stayed. Tell us the story of how you came to live in Little Rock and why you stayed.
[0:03:16] JB: I think that it's definitely a destined for me to be here. I came here in the military. As a matter of fact, I was talking on air doing my morning show a few days ago, and on June 4th, 51 years ago, I left my little hometown in King Street and went to Columbia, South Carolina to board a plane to join the United States Air Force. My first assignment out of tech school was Little Rock Air. Well, it was actually Minot, North Dakota. I couldn't –
[0:03:52] KM: That’s a boot camp.
[0:03:53] JB: Yeah. Well, this was after being in basic training and then going through tech school and then you get your orders, your assignment to your home base, and my orders were for Monarch North Dakota. I knew nothing about Minot, North Dakota. I knew it was cold. You could trade. I was going around and nobody wanted to trade with me, but this one guy, and he had orders to Little Rock. I knew one thing about Little Rock, I knew Central High Crisis. That’s it. Well, I know they got some black posted, so I'm going to Little Rock.
After I got here and I was at the Air Force base for about a year or so, and I got assignment to go to Osan Air Base in Korea. After a year in Korea, serving my tour there, I got an assignment to come back to Little Rock Air Force Base. I extended for six months. I said, I don't want to go back and see something else. I extended for six more months. I got an assignment to go to Little Rock Air Force Base.
[0:05:01] KM: It’s destiny.
[0:05:02] JB: I know. That's what I said. I said, this has got to be it. It's destined. I have to work it at Power 92. I got an opportunity to go back to South Carolina in 1995. It was one of my dream jobs. I'd listen to this radio station, all my coming through high school. It had been on for 20 as a historic station. As a matter of fact, it was the number one rated black station in America, WWDM. It was a dream job for me to get there. I stayed for six months. I came back to Little Rock.
[0:05:35] KM: Girl. Had to be a girl.
[0:05:36] JB: No. My wife hadn't moved yet. We were going to move, but I just saw a lot of things going on that I didn't feel comfortable with.
[0:05:45] KM: In South Carolina?
[0:05:46] JB: In my home state, South Carolina. Around family and everything, and I came back. I had a great opportunity when I came back to Little Rock. When I came back, I knew that this was destined. I sold everything that I owned in South Carolina and built a home here.
[0:06:00] KM: Did you meet your wife in South Carolina, or in Little Rock?
[0:06:02] JB: No. My wife is from Arkansas. We got married in around ’90. I mean, ’87. ’87, we got married. My wife is from Crossett, Arkansas.
[0:06:13] KM: How did you meet her? At the Air Force base? She come to dance?
[0:06:16] JB: Well, she was actually in the military and won prizes on the radio station. She came to pick up her prizes, and I happened to see her when we saw. We had a dance that night at PJ’s. She won tickets to go to the dance at PJ’s. Back then, it was the place to go.
[0:06:34] KM: She met you there that night? You invited her?
[0:06:36] JB: Well, you know what? She spent most of her time around the DJ booth. We started dating, and just one thing led to another and then, you know.
[0:06:46] KM: Would you call it love at first sight?
[0:06:48] JB: I would say something like that.
[0:06:50] KM: You better say that.
[0:06:52] JB: Yeah. I think it was. You’re right here. I better say it like that.
[0:06:55] KM: What about your parents?
[0:06:57] JB: Well, I've had a strange history. I was an adopted child. I was adopted at nine months and a beautiful family, church-going people, raised me great. Raising at church, in school, doing all those things.
[0:07:13] KM: Brothers and sisters?
[0:07:14] JB: I was an only child. that was really, really good, too. They spoiled me and everything like that. I went into the middle –
[0:07:20] KM: Little king. Little king. Little King Joe.
[0:07:26] JB: Well, they were pretty well to do people, but they met late in life and they couldn't have kids and they wanted to have a child. That's how I fit in. I was, of course, like I said, the one and only. After leaving and going to the military, when my mother passed, I think I was right at 29-years-old. My father passed first, and my mother passed. When she passed, the problem I had was I knew I had relatives there, but I never really asked questions about it. It's hard to explain, because I never wanted my mother to know that I wanted to know, or go anywhere else, or anything like that. I never asked questions.
[0:08:09] KM: It felt like betrayal, or something like that.
[0:08:11] JB: Yeah. Because I had someone. They had someone. I just knew that they love me, and I love them also. I had people coming to me, and my parents were – they had a little bit. This guy came and picked me up. I never forget. I'm not going to call his name. But he picked me up, took me to his house. He was a minister and he prayed with me and told me that he knew my father and showed me a picture of this guy and this, this, this. Then he said that, “What's you going to do with all that furniture in the house and all this stuff?” I'm like, “Well, I hadn't made a decision on it.” My wife was thinking more than I was, because his thing was, “Donate it to the church, or whatever.” My wife said, “We got to find out if this is true.”
She got my cousin and went over to her house. I think she lived about 20 miles from where we were. She said, “Come on in the house. I want to show you some things.” She started showing me pictures of my brother. I have a brother and I have a sister. She just started going through things like this. She gave me a number to call. She said, “Whatever you do, don't tell her that I gave you any of this information,” she said. “You don't know how your mother is.” I'm like, “Okay.” I called her. About two weeks after I called her, she was here in Arkansas.
[0:09:30] KM: She flew here.
[0:09:31] JB: She flew here.
[0:09:31] KM: She wanted to meet you?
[0:09:32] JB: She wanted to meet me. I found out why everybody was a little intimidated by my mother. I think she may have had something, like post-traumatic stress, or something like that, but she was never diagnosed with that. She was a very different type and very independent woman.
[0:09:47] KM: Post-traumatic stress from what? From the living in the south?
[0:09:52] JB: Possibly. Because when I was born, she moved to Baltimore and never came back to South Carolina.
[0:09:58] KM: She had bad southern experience.
[0:10:00] JB: Yes, yes. She said to me that the reason why, because at that time, my grandfather had a farm. Normally, what happened, her mother died in a car accident.
[0:10:13] KM: Well, that will give you post-traumatic stress, too.
[0:10:14] JB: Right. Right. She and her sister were raised by their stepmother. She didn't like her stepmother. She said, she was going to make it a point, “I ain't leaving you with her.” That's how I got up with adoption and got away from the family. I don't think they knew she was going to do that, but she left home immediately after that. She went to Baltimore and became a nurse. I have a sister and a younger brother, but I have a sister that's three years younger than me. We were born on the same day.
[0:10:42] KM: Interesting. So, your father.
[0:10:46] JB: When you talk to my mother about my father, she don't want to talk about it. She never want to talk about it. About 10 years later, that same cousin that introduced me to my mother that I can't say anything about, but anyway, she called me and she was in Hemingway, South Carolina. They have a, what they call a Baha'i radio station. She started calling me and talking about that. She said, “I saw your father today.” I'm like, “You did?”
[0:11:11] KM: Who would that be?
[0:11:11] JB: Yeah. Because my mother never told me who it was. She told me who he was. She gave me the number on top of it. I got a chance to call him. It was a funny conversation. Because he says – I called him and I told him, I said, “I think you may be my father.” He asked, “Who's your mama named?” I told him who my mother was. It upset me, because she says, “Hmm. Annabelle Jenkins, huh?” I'm like, you know. Like, “You mean, you don't even know, you know?”
[0:11:47] KM: He's playing it too cool.
[0:11:48] JB: Yeah. I'm like, “This happened on prom. Supposedly, you took her to the prom. It would have been in 1955, because I was born in ’56.” He said, “1955.”
[0:12:00] GM: Oh, my God.
[0:12:02] JB: Yeah. So, I'm really getting upset now. He said, “Well, give me your mom a number.” I gave him a number, and about a week or so, a lady called me back and said, “I'm trying to call your mom. She hung up on me.”
[0:12:13] GM: She sure did.
[0:12:15] JB: Yeah.
[0:12:17] KM: This is so crazy.
[0:12:19] JB: This is a crazy story. I love that.
[0:12:21] KM: I don't hate it. He's not owning anything.
[0:12:23] GM: No. No, no. I mean, what a character though.
[0:12:26] KM: All right. So, then what?
[0:12:27] JB: So, about –
[0:12:28] KM: She hung up on him.
[0:12:30] JB: Yeah. It upset me, because he didn't know anything, and so I’m like, “Oh, gosh.” I didn't really talk to him for about another two, three months. Then I was going to South Carolina and I called him and told him that I was coming and I wanted to meet him. I never forget, when I got to the house, knocked on the door, his wife came to the door. She came to the door and looked at me and turned around to him and say, “Raymond, your son is at the door. You look just like your uncle.” That's what she said to me.
That relationship, and the blessing about it was my father was a family man and all of that stuff, and really a good guy. I had a great relationship with him and a great relationship with her. For me, it's like, I have two moms, two dads, two families, because when I go to South Carolina to visit, I'm visiting all four sides of the family.
[0:13:31] KM: All right. This is a great place to take a break.
[0:13:34] JB: Okay.
[0:13:34] KM: When we come back, we're going to continue our conversation with this Little Rock radio personality, Broadway Joe from KOKY, Power 92, and Praise Station, where he wears many hats, one of which is Director of Programming at Cumulus Media. When we come back, we're going to talk about some on-air celebrity stories, some faux pas, because I know we've all had them. Be thinking, Joe, what is a good one? The past, the current and the future of radio as seen through Mr. Joe Booker's eyes also. You know it's one of the few things left that's actually free.
[0:14:07] JB: Absolutely.
[0:14:07] KM: Mm-hmm. We'll be right back.
[BREAK]
[0:14:09] GM: You're listening to Up in Your Business with Kerry McCoy, a production of flagandbanner.com. In 1975, with only $400, Kerry founded Arkansas Flag and Banner. Since then, the business has grown and changed, along with Kerry's experience and leadership knowledge. In 1995, she embraced the Internet and rebranded her company as simply flagandbanner.com. In 2004, she became an early blogger. Since then, she has founded the nonprofit, Friends of Dreamland Ballroom, began publishing her magazine, Brave. In 2016, branched out into this very radio show, YouTube channel and podcast.
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[INTERVIEW CONTINUED]
[0:15:13] KM: We're speaking today with Mr. Joe Booker, known to his fans as Broadway Joe, a broadcasting legend on KOKY, Power 92, and Praise, all part of the Cumulus Media in Little Rock, Arkansas. Did you always want to be in the radio?
[0:15:26] JB: No, no, no. I love music, and music led to it. Actually, I was doing the public address announcing at Arkansas State and BB when I attended school there. It was interesting, because I would always practice on doing the lineups, because I kept the scorebook, and I always practice on doing the lineups, announcing the lineups and that kind of thing. I would ride home. I was commuting from Jacksonville. One night, the guy that does the announcing, his throat or something was going on. I think, “I don't know if I'm going to be able to do it tonight.” I was taken back by shock. He said, “Hey, man. You got to keep the books, but just, can you announce the lineups for me?”
Needless to say, when the athletic director heard me do the lineups, he said, “Well, I want you to do this from now on.” He never got his job back. But that's how I got that, and so I started doing that. Like I said, back then it was, Kerry, disco air, or so. We did parties and all the time. I was always a music guy. I loved music, but I really didn't still didn't know where my place was in music, because I can't sing. I can't really dance that well, and I don't play any instruments, but I love music.
[0:16:43] KM: I'm with you, brother.
[0:16:45] JB: You know what I’m saying?
[0:16:45] KM: I’m with you.
[0:16:46] JB: That's how it was. This is how I fit in. Playing music for people was something I like back then.
[0:16:53] KM: Who gave you the name Broadway Joe?
[0:16:56] JB: I played football in high school. So, I loved football and I came up with – everybody had to have a nickname, or something. I put the Broadway with it. Because my name was Joe and I love football.
[0:17:12] KM: Joe Namath.
[0:17:13] JB: Yeah. I kind of –
[0:17:14] KM: What was he called?
[0:17:15] JB: Broadway Joe.
[0:17:16] KM: That's what I was thinking. When you were saying it, I thought, “Wasn’t he Broadway Joe?”
[0:17:19] JB: Yeah, he was Broadway Joe.
[0:17:20] KM: Oh, so you're like the Joe Namath of the radio.
[0:17:22] JB: There you go. That's it.
[0:17:24] KM: I like that.
[0:17:24] JB: I’m the quarterback of the radio.
[0:17:25] KM: You're the quarterback of the radio. I'm going to start doing pantyhose commercials. Remember when he did those?
[0:17:30] JB: That would be good.
[0:17:33] KM: Let's talk about your career in radio. You started, I thought, I was thinking four decades ago, but really, five decades ago in Lonoke.
[0:17:41] JB: Oh, KWTD 106.3, the station that kicks.
[0:17:46] KM: Station that kicks. Motown, soul music, was it AM? FM?
[0:17:50] JB: It was FM. It was FM.
[0:17:52] KM: Did you start in AM, or did you start in FM?
[0:17:56] JB: I worked on AM. Actually, I worked on AM at KOKY, but that was actually after working on FM then. KOKY was at 1250 dial in probably ’84, ’85. I left there in ’87 when Power 92 came on. Power 92 came on Christmas day, ’87. When it came on, KWTD was FM, but it was in the outskirts. Power 92 was 100,000 watts right here in the city and it covered everything. Everybody was talking about this new radio station that came on. Actually, I sent an application in and I never followed up, because the guy was like, “Why didn't you follow up?” I got a job working over here.
[0:18:47] KM: That was on KOKY.
[0:18:48] JB: Right.
[0:18:49] KM: They weren't together under one – They were competitors at the time.
[0:18:52] JB: No, no, no. They were competitors at the time. That's the thing about it is what I don't want is the job I have over here to hear that I'm over here trying to find a job.
[0:18:59] KM: Yeah, that's not good. That's not smart.
[0:19:00] JB: Right. Right. One of my friends that worked in sales, Jerry Boogie Mason, as we called him, he was – everybody had those nicknames back in the day.
[0:19:11] KM: Yes. Right. I love it. Yeah, yeah.
[0:19:13] JB: I was on my way to work at KOKY, and I did mid days at the time, and I was the music director. Boogie ran me off the road in the Prospect Building on top of the hill, off of University Avenue. Right. Well, the other tall building right across from Catholic High School is where Power 92 was. He ran me off the road, took me over for an interview and the guy asked me, Kevin Brown, he said, “You sent an application, but why didn't you follow up?” I said, “Well, I mean, I didn't want to leave this job to come here, because I didn't know if I had a job,” and that kind of thing. He said, “Well, I've heard a lot about you. I honestly thought that you had people calling me, until I talked to Boogie and that kind of thing.”
[0:19:52] KM: Oh, really?
[0:19:53] JB: Yeah. He said, “Well, I got a job. I want you to be on at night. Here's what it pays.” I'm like, “That's $3,000 less than what I'm making now over here.” He said, “Well, that's what I got. You can take it, or leave it.”
[0:20:12] KM: But you get to go from AM to FM.
[0:20:13] JB: Right. He said, “Do you need some time to talk it over with your family and stuff?” I was like, “No. I'll take the job.” That's how it went. He said, “You're not going to think about it?” I said, “No. I'm going to be all right. I think that this is the place to be. It's FM.” That's how it started. I came over there as a night guy. I actually had the highest ratings when I was on the AM. If you know AM at the time, it's the powers in the daytime, it go low power at night. That's how it was.
[0:20:43] KM: Unless you're Baker Street, then you go all the way to New York.
[0:20:46] JB: Right.
[0:20:47] KM: I just have to be honest with you. Getting ready for this show, I had to listen to all of your stuff. I didn't listen to Praise, but I did listen to KOKY and Power 92. I don't like Power 92.
[0:20:58] JB: You wouldn't.
[0:21:00] KM: No. It's misogynist rap music. It says terrible things to poor women out there.
[0:21:07] JB: Well –
[0:21:08] KM: Yeah, it does. Rap music is not good.
[0:21:12] JB: It speaks to the culture.
[0:21:13] KM: Well, that ain't a good culture.
[0:21:16] JB: Well, but here's the deal. Here's the deal. Well, probably ’93 and ’94, what you're talking about got to me.
[0:21:26] KM: It did.
[0:21:27] JB: It got to me.
[0:21:27] KM: I would think it went to you. Yeah.
[0:21:30] JB: I was about to actually find another career. I just felt like, this music had gotten to where I just can't play this anymore. I had a good friend by the name of Reverend Dr. Hezekiah Stewart that I did a lot of work with at the watershed all the time. He was more like, for me, Rev was my spiritual mentor. I could go to him and talk about him about anything. I went to Rev and told him, “Rev” – and we're both from South Carolina, so we have something coming. I went to Rev and I said, “Rev, I can't do this no more. I don't believe in this music. It's just not me, and I'm playing it.” He said, “Let's go out here and walk down to the water.” He was this big thing with water, and we've talked.
He said something to me that changed my mind. He said, “Joe, you know, once you leave, somebody else is going to do it. What you have to do is find a way between that music to reach the people.” I remember Al Bell back in the day saying information, education, entertainment. I started focusing more on what's happening between the songs, rather than what the songs are saying. We started doing a lot more community things. I got what Rev was saying, somebody else is going to do it, but where are they going to put positive things between the song? Where are they going to do community stuff? Where are they going to do those things? Because we had a really big, I would say, a great marriage with the watershed. We broadcast from there every Christmas and raised money for the kids.
I think that's the thing that he wanted me to focus more on, giving more back in the community and doing more things to help people. But then, you're not going to stop and listen to the music, because that's their music.
[0:23:24] KM: I know. I know.
[0:23:26] JB: That helped me out a lot.
[0:23:27] KM: If wisdom was transferable, we wouldn't have all the problems we have today.
[0:23:31] JB: Absolutely.
[0:23:32] KM: You just have to push him in a little bit of the right direction. Tell our listeners what the Watershed Group is.
[0:23:38] JB: Okay. The Watershed is the world's first social hospital. It was founded by a Reverend Dr. Hezekiah Stewart, who we lost a couple of years ago. He passed a couple of years ago. The Watershed is still there now. When I say social hospital, the best example I can give you is when I first went there, they would have the Tyson trucks there, because during the Christmas time, they always feed people during the holidays. I went there the first day and I volunteered to work on the truck. I came back the second day, and some of the same people we were giving food to were back again. I was like, “Rev, some of the people are here yesterday.” He said, “Joe, we got to have enough for the needy and the greedy.” I said, “Okay, Rev.”
[0:24:14] KM: Oh, how funny.
[0:24:17] JB: The third, or fourth day I came out there, someone had broken in the truck and stole some of the food out the truck. I said, “Rev,” I said, “They broke in the truck. You’re giving it away.” He said, “Joe, we got to have enough for the needy, the greedy, and the thievy.”
[0:24:30] KM: Oh, my gosh.
[0:24:33] JB: I've been a part of The Watershed now for close to 35 years. I've been on radio for 36. I met Rev back in the late 80s. We still do our show. I do my show from The Watershed, my morning show for three days in a row, before Christmas. KOK Y does a three-day broadcast there. Also, I do mornings. They do mid-days. We just encourage people to come out and give. They do toys for kids, big toy drive we do for kids. Then we do food boxes and all of that. If you go there now, they have a pantry where you can go and get stuff.
[0:25:10] KM: Where is there?
[0:25:12] JB: The old Gillum school.
[0:25:13] KM: Where's that?
[0:25:14] JB: Off of Springer Boulevard now. Exit before the airport. This is right there to the right and you see it.
[0:25:18] KM: Yeah, by the Roosevelt. Yeah, downtown.
[0:25:22] JB: About seven or eight years ago, Little Rock’s Superintendent, Mike Poore, came out and he actually, because the school district owned that building, but he sold it to the watershed for one dollar.
[0:25:36] KM: Oh, how nice.
[0:25:38] JB: The watershed was able to write some grants, get some funds, and it's been remodeled now. Painted. His wife actually runs it now. He passed, but his wife is now running the watershed. You got some people that have been working there for over 30 years.
[0:25:53] KM: They're feeding the needy.
[0:25:54] JB: Feeding the needy in our community.
[0:25:55] KM: The thievy, and the greedy.
[0:25:57] JB: And the greedy. It's called the world's first social hospital. I got to tell you why this is the first social hospital, because it's something. Somebody calls a radio station and they say, “Hey, I have problems. My house burned down.” We send them to the watershed. “My lights are off,” they have a relationship with the AP and L. “My gas is this,” they have a relationship with all of these people.
When I first got involved in the first social hospital, I remember Rev taking me to this room. He said, “This is a support group for families of the incarcerated.” I said, “Why would you need a support? Families of the incarcerated.” He said to me, and he called me over to the window. He said, “You see that lady over there?” I see it. “She's got five kids. Right now, all five of them are in prison, or jail.” I really had to think, as a parent, that could be traumatic. I get it now. I didn't at first, but I got it now. That's what I mean by social hospital, because there was so many different things –
[0:27:03] KM: That they care.
[0:27:04] JB: That they care for down there.
[0:27:06] KM: It's hard to stay positive.
[0:27:08] JB: Right.
[0:27:08] KM: Isn't it? You are so inspiring. Let's take a quick break. We're speaking today with Broadway Joe, the longtime legendary radio personality on KOKY, Power 92, and Praise Station, where he is the program director for all of Cumulus Media in Little Rock, Arkansas. We'll be right back.
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[0:27:58] KM: We're speaking today with Mr. Joe Booker, known to his fans as Broadway Joe, a broadcasting legend. I read this quote about you in one of the many links that was sent to me in the research for this. As African-Americans, you said this, Joe, “As African-Americans, we expect to get all our information, education, and entertainment from our radio station. That goes back to the 50s, 60s, and 70s. That's the history of us as African-Americans. We expect to get it there, so you can give information. You can talk. You just have to be talking about relevant information and educating people.” Then you say about entertainment, “The entertainment is the music that we play, the little jokes on the side and things like that we do. But if you're giving people substance, information, and education, you can always win, especially in the urban format, because people will listen.” Do you talk about the watershed?
[0:28:57] JB: Oh, yeah. All the time.
[0:28:59] KM: Then the information you give out. This really struck a chord with me, because I have a girlfriend who lives in Belleville, Arkansas. She's a farmer and they don't – I don't think she has cable or anything. She gets up in the morning, she turns on the radio, and it's whatever radio she can get. She just listens all day long as it fits her company all day long, because she doesn't work anymore, because she's a retired school teacher. When she told me that this year, that that's what she does all day, I was like, “That is so weird.” Then, I read that a lot of people do that. Then it's part of your culture to just get up and turn the radio on.
[0:29:33] JB: Right.
[0:29:34] KM: That's a big responsibility.
[0:29:35] JB: Oh, it is. Times have changed. My research starts around 3.00 in the morning.
[0:29:40] KM: I was going to ask you, how do you prepare for a day?
[0:29:42] JB: It's just about a two-hour preparation. Because if you listen to my morning show on Power 92, I have a person that actually reads the news. Then I have entertainment, or trending stories, and then a little sports around everything else that we do. I get up, and I prepare our news in the order that I wanted in, because it never bleeds and leads. Everything starts off with information and education. Then it gets into who somebody may have gotten shot, or things like that. When I say bleed, it leads. You know what I’m – old school radio, right?
[0:30:17] KM: Yeah. But tell anybody listening what you mean.
[0:30:19] JB: Right. Well, that's a homicide, or that's something negative.
[0:30:25] KM: That's why America's in the situation it's in now, because all our reporters bleed, just bleed with the bleed.
[0:30:33] JB: Right. Right. My news always starts off with information and education. Probably, the fourth story would be where you would get that one –
[0:30:40] KM: You got to have it. It's kind of entertainment.
[0:30:42] JB: Yeah. Then as a kicker story at the end. Then, of course –
[0:30:45] KM: What’s a kicker story?
[0:30:46] JB: That's something that's lighthearted at the end of it, to where it's – like, the kicker story today was actually a story about Town 11 doing a story. Actually, I'm in the piece. It's about Juneteenth and the celebration of Juneteenth that's coming up. Galveston, Texas.
[0:31:06] KM: Tell our listeners what Juneteenth is, because I only learned about it probably 10 years ago.
[0:31:10] JB: It's the celebration of freedom for African-Americans. It's a story about Colonel Granger that rode his horse and everybody's always joke about the story. Boy, that was the longest horse ride, and it’s about a year and a half to take him from Washington and tell the people in Galveston, Texas that you're free. That was on Juneteenth when that happened. I think –
[0:31:32] KM: It took a year and a half?
[0:31:34] JB: Almost a year. A little over –
[0:31:34] KM: I didn't realize that.
[0:31:35] JB: Yeah, that's how long it took for him to get to. I read that he was fighting through, once he's got to the south, he was still fighting through Confederate soldiers that didn't know the war was over. It took him a while. That's the story that goes with it.
[0:31:48] KM: That's right. There were no phones.
[0:31:50] JB: Yeah. Well, no.
[0:31:51] GM: None exactly.
[0:31:53] JB: Right, Kerry. None of that stuff. Right.
[0:31:55] KM: You forget about that.
[0:31:56] JB: Right. Right. That's the history of how Juneteenth. I'm from South Carolina. Juneteenth was new to me here also. I noticed that a lot of Arkansan, because it's in Texas, that's a big thing. As a matter of fact, it's a state holiday in Texas. It's a federal holiday now, but not a state holiday here. But it's a federal holiday and a state holiday in Texas. That's where the history of it starts. Everybody across the country and now since it's now a federal holiday, everybody knows the history of what Juneteenth is and what it's all about.
I just have to say, I never would have thought back in 1997, ’98, ’99 when we were doing these Juneteenth celebrations that it would be a national holiday. That's the thing. That I would live to see it if it ever happened.
[0:32:42] KM: You're such a part of it.
[0:32:44] JB: Yeah. I mean –
[0:32:45] KM: I mean, especially in Arkansas.
[0:32:46] JB: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah.
[0:32:48] KM: What’s the very first time you raised $140,000. That's pretty remarkable in 19.
[0:32:55] JB: Kerry?
[0:32:56] KM: What?
[0:32:57] JB: 20,000 went to the watershed.
[0:33:00] KM: That's good.
[0:33:00] JB: Right. Every Juneteenth that we did, we gave the watershed a percentage of what we got from. I think 22,000 may have been the highest that we got. Every year, we gave money to the watershed.
[0:33:15] KM: Are you involved still with it? Or have you turned it over to Mosaic Templars?
[0:33:19] JB: No, no, no. No. Oh, Juneteenth?
[0:33:20] KM: Mm-hmm.
[0:33:21] JB: Yeah. I mean, we talk about it a lot, talk with them a lot about what they have planned. We'll have our analysis there. We have Juneteenth in the Rock, but we also have Juneteenth in the Bluff. UAPB is putting on a Juneteenth celebration on Friday night.
[0:33:36] KM: You have disc jockeys there?
[0:33:38] JB: Yeah. We'll have guys there. One of our guys is going to be MC in that one. Then there's the one here that the Mosaic Templars do. I think it's probably the biggest one now. Keith Fletcher and her crew over at the Mosaic Templars Cultural said they’ve done a great job of bringing the whole community together and doing this. I mean, when you talk to Brian, Brian is a walking history book on Juneteenth. The history of music, as a matter of fact, the special that Channel 11 did, Brian is one of the features on there, because he's so gifted and knowing about our history. He's done so much research on our history. If you're working at the Mosaic Templars, you should know the history. Right.
[0:34:15] KM: You should know that. That should be part of your application when you – Can you pass this history test?
[0:34:22] GM: Right. Yeah. History test.
[0:34:26] KM: I told our listeners at the break that you were going to come back and tell us an embarrassing story. Tell me when you stuck your foot in your mouth one time.
[0:34:33] JB: I do that all the time, but still –
[0:34:35] KM: It's a little endearing, I think. Every time I go and I think –
[0:34:39] GM: You're in good company, is what she's trying to say.
[0:34:40] KM: Yeah. No, I do a lot.
[0:34:42] JB: I think this is the one, and I say, I get reminded of this all the time. I was a radio announcer, so it took me a while to get into hosting a talk show, because I'm a disc jockey. I just do short breaks and move on, short breaks and move on. Anyway, they got me into doing an interview. This was when, I want to think it was late 90s when the stations started combining, and I got an opportunity to do a one-day show on KARN. Neal Gladner was the program director of KARN. Neil came up with this great ideal of doing a special form, and it was around the anniversary of the Little Rock Nine. President Clinton came to town at the time. He was a president, but he came to town, and it was just a lot of that going on. I got a chance to be one of the moderators for the event. For some reason or another, I wasn't as prepared as you are, Kerry. I didn't have –
[0:35:53] KM: Uh-oh. I’m scared. I’m over here scared.
[0:35:54] JB: - all of my work and my ducks together, and knowing everything that was going on and all of that. I messed around and called Miss Annie Abrams, one of the Little Rock Nine. She went to a whole new level, and it's so amazing.
[0:36:12] KM: Well, ain’t Annie Abrams one of the Little Rock Nine?
[0:36:15] JB: Boy, that's what I thought.
[0:36:15] KM: Is she? Is Annie Abrams one of the Little Rock Nine?
[0:36:18] JB: No. She taught the Little Rock Nine.
[0:36:20] KM: Oh. Oh. Well, she comes in her boss flags. Boy. Or she used to.
[0:36:26] JB: Yeah, Miss Annie.
[0:36:27] KM: Who would have done that?
[0:36:28] JB: You know it's so bad. Let me tell you –
[0:36:29] KM: She is a pistol, too. I mean, she's a teacher. She ran you your rights.
[0:36:33] JB: Yes, she did. What’s so bad about it, I think I saw her daughter about two, three weeks, about two, three months ago, I was over getting something to eat and she said, “You know, I'm Miss Annie’s daughter.” I was like, “Oh, yeah. Great.” “You called her one of Little Rock Nine.” I'm like, “Am I ever going to live this down? Am I ever going to live this down?” This was 25 years ago, but she still –
[0:36:54] KM: You know what, though, it's those embarrassing things that the people remember you from. Now you're famous forever to her daughter.
[0:37:00] JB: Oh, yeah. And to Miss Annie. I actually got one of her awards, the Annie Abrams award. When she gave me the award, she told the story again. It’s like, she's never going to let this story. I'm thinking, maybe she'll forget about this. She never forgot it. She always tells me about that story. Yeah. Beautiful lady. I love you, Miss Annie.
[0:37:21] KM: Yeah. You put God is first in your life.
[0:37:24] JB: Always. Always.
[0:37:25] KM: You are always talking about taking it to the people. I love it that you work with the youth. I love this quote that you really do love your father. He really was a great father, your adopted father.
[0:37:37] JB: Right.
[0:37:39] KM: You said to your sons, “I would always tell my sons, there's some things in life that we can't change. You will always be my son. I will always be your father. No matter what happens to me, or what happens to you, nothing can change that. As I have said, on the air many times, family –”
[0:37:59] JB: Family, all we got.
[0:38:01] KM: Yeah, he says it all the time.
[0:38:03] JB: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
[0:38:05] KM: You've got so many awards, billboard, radio station of the year. I mean, you are so well-known, not just in Little Rock, but around the country. You do a lot of volunteer work. What is the future of radio?
[0:38:18] JB: Well, I think we have to expand our platforms. Basically, that's it. I mean –
[0:38:23] KM: What you mean by that? Podcasts and stuff?
[0:38:25] JB: Podcasts, your social handles.
[0:38:29] KM: Don't you have a video show?
[0:38:30] JB: Yeah, The Broadway Joe video show. Every Thursday morning on KOKY. I do a one-hour talk show. Then the morning show is on Power 92. Then on CW Arkansas, is a video show. We talk about a lot of community on the morning show. The best of my big feature there is the Power People Poll, when we ask questions about this thing's going on. Like, today's question on my show was, do you agree, or disagree with sitting in the troops in Los Angeles? Get ready for it, because our governor agrees with it. If you go up toward the Capitol, so you're going to send them up there on, and said, go up there acting a fool. That's just a little humor that we talked about this morning, but that's what the question was.
[0:39:11] KM: That's not humorous.
[0:39:14] JB: Then we do relationship questions and stuff like that. People love the relationship questions.
[0:39:20] KM: Oh, yeah.
[0:39:21] JB: I think the big one last week was, I asked my best friend to sing at my wedding and they want to charge me a $,1000. Is that really a best friend or not?
[0:39:33] JB: No.
[0:39:36] GM: I would disagree.
[0:39:37] JB: See? That's what makes it a good question.
[0:39:38] GM: Yeah. Right.
[0:39:40] KM: All right. The power of radio, we've talked about radio is still strong. I've mentioned that radio is free.
[0:39:48] JB: It's free.
[0:39:49] KM: If I was wanting to want wanting to go into a career in broadcasting, would you have any advice for me?
[0:39:55] JB: Being on the radio, or being behind the scene is what I would ask, because it's bigger than just being on the radio. There are sales and there's a lot of other opportunities to go along with it.
[0:40:05] KM: Being on the radio.
[0:40:06] JB: Yeah. I think it's a great opportunity, but I think that I would start off, like we do now when somebody comes with me with a record and they'll say, “Hey, man. I want you to put my record on the radio.” It's like, how many followers you got? Why don't you start it off, doing something like putting it on social media? Because then, you can gauge it on whether people like it or not. Why would I want to put you on against people that have invested so much money and their quality is so much better than yours, and my listeners don't know who the hell you are.
[0:40:36] KM: Well, and you don't know what their work ethic is either. What if you promote somebody you don't know anything about? I mean, they're just –
[0:40:42] JB: Be getting a lot of trouble for that a lot, because people feel like we should play their records on the radio.
[0:40:46] KM: Oh, they do.
[0:40:47] JB: Yeah. I get a lot of calls with that stuff.
[0:40:50] KM: What do you think is the most important thing you do? You have a big voice. You touch thousands of people a day.
[0:40:58] JB: I think the community service part is probably the biggest thing that we do. The information, the information, education, entertainment. You just can't go wrong with that. You got to think about this, Kerry, when you were talking about it, see, back in the day when I made that statement, you had to understand that black people didn't have a choice. I'm going to listen to the rock today, or I'm listening to the news today, or I'm going to listen to top 40 today. It was one radio station.
[0:41:25] KM: It was one radio station.
[0:41:26] JB: That's your choice. You had to, as I say, feed the people. When we talk about it now, that's what I say. You got to feed our listeners. When you finish playing a song and you're going into a break, hey, this was so and so, and so and so. Now, give me something to eat. Give me some information on something that's going on. Then when you finish with something that's going on, give me something to keep me through the commercials. Coming up next is going to be this, this, this. Never tell me what the name of the song is. Just tell me who the artist is, because it might be the song I don't like from that artist.
[0:42:00] KM: We have an OK Program, a national mentoring model for African-American men and boys. You also work for the Little Rock's crisis team and gang task force. Are you still doing either? Are you still involved with either one of those?
[0:42:10] JB: I am on the board for the OK Program, but I'm not a part of the crisis now. That was back during the 90s when we had the gangs and all of that.
[0:42:21] KM: What was that called? Gang banging in Little Rock.
[0:42:23] JB: Yeah. Banging in Little Rock.
[0:42:24] KM: Banging in Little Rock. I don't have any idea. What do you think the solution is for the gangs in Little Rock?
[0:42:33] JB: I don't hear them about them as much as they used to.
[0:42:34] KM: Is that right?
[0:42:35] JB: I really don't. I mean –
[0:42:35] KM: Good.
[0:42:36] JB: I think that they changed it now to sets.
[0:42:39] KM: What's that mean?
[0:42:40] JB: It's just a group of people over here and a group of people over there. Don't get me wrong, there are probably still some around, but it's not like –
[0:42:48] KM: You’re just too old to know anymore.
[0:42:51] JB: Well, I don't think they're what they used to be. I mean, the thing about it is law enforcement and technology has gotten to the point now to where you have to be very careful about doing things, because it's very – I mean, you just go downtown and there's a camera following you everywhere you go. I mean, you just have to be very – It's not like it used to be, let me say this. I think that that's made people more accountable also.
[0:43:15] KM: Well, that's good. Before we came on the radio, I want to tell our listeners, before we came on the radio, you said there's a new thing called – a new trend called southern soul.
[0:43:25] JB: Southern soul.
[0:43:26] KM: What is that?
[0:43:29] JB: Southern soul is a younger black listener, that to me, they're the culture of southern soul on the music of Southern soul. The bikers, the truckers, line dancing, trail rides, all of that is part of southern soul. It's created a younger talent that doesn't do rap, or hip hop. They sing R&B songs, but more of a southern type of R&B song.
[0:44:01] KM: Can you think of an artist? I'm going to listen to one of them.
[0:44:03] JB: Well, I do a big thing on my birthday. I'm prom, baby.
[0:44:07] KM: Yeah, you are.
[0:44:09] JB: My birthday happens to be the 17th of February. That Valentine's weekend, like last – that Saturday, I had my big party. I had a brother about a name of Calvin Richardson. He’s got some great music out. If you get a chance to go listen.
[0:44:26] KM: Calvin.
[0:44:27] JB: Calvin Richardson.
[0:44:28] KM: Richardson.
[0:44:29] JB: Calvin Richardson. He's grown a lot. Southern soul has been out for, I guess, probably the start of the 2000, because it was just blues, but now it's blues and southern soul.
[0:44:40] KM: All right. I like southern soul. I didn't realize that I was already listening to it. Joe, we've talked about a lot of the great things you've done, the blues on the river, the Juneteenth. Oh, my gosh, what a great contribution. The OK program. Now let's talk about the Jammers charity basketball team. You've raised 2 million dollars. Tell us about that, and where that money's used?
[0:45:04] JB: Well, the Jammers started off with someone calling and asking us, and I want to think it was in the town of Dermont, asking us to come and play a charity basketball game as DJs.
[0:45:16] KM: Oh, a DJ charity basketball game.
[0:45:18] JB: Right. Play in the team.
[0:45:19] KM: That’s cute.
[0:45:19] JB: Yeah. We started in 1990. One of our DJs came up with this ideal of the Jammers. He played basketball and that kind of thing. It's like, well, okay, let's do it. We started taking a trip down there, and we had no ideal. At that time, this is the nineties, I mean, Power 92 gets all the way into Dermont, Arkansas. We went down. When I tell you it was a pack, they gave us a police escort to the gym on our little bus and everything. It was big deal. The way it worked was basically, you got us there, we play and whatever was made, it goes to the charitable organization.
You call us back and you tell us how much money that was raised there that night. We've had nights to where people raised $10,000 to $15,000 just from a charity basketball game. We traveled the entire state of Arkansas. One season, we had 41 games. Every Friday and Saturday night from the end of November, all the way in until April. I mean, we were just playing ball. It started off with us as the jocks. Then, we would go play people and they would have ringers, and so we started getting ringers. We started recruiting from the Dunbar Community Center, Dunbar Summer League. We would get the best basketball players, former players to come and play with us. There would be some guys like Corliss play with us.
[0:46:50] KM: No way.
[0:46:54] JB: Just a number of guys that after the season is over, what do you do? After you've finished playing, what do you do? Charity games is what we would do. We made sure that everybody knew now, it ain't us playing, we're bringing the best out of Central Arkansas, Little Rock players. We would go to every town. They put their best team together and play us. We don't win every game. Don't get me wrong. We didn't win every game. But it was always a good competitive game. The thing was you paid for us to come, whatever is raised goes to the charity. We get financial reports back. Some years, I mean, we would get financial reports back to where we've raised over $200,000, or $300,000 a season.
[0:47:34] KM: How did you spend that? Or who spent it?
[0:47:36] JB: The money went to them.
[0:47:37] KM: Went to who?
[0:47:38] JB: Went to whoever had the charitable game.
[0:47:41] KM: Oh, like if the city of Little Rock put it on, the money went to Little Rock.
[0:47:44] JB: Right. Right.
[0:47:44] KM: If the watershed put it on, the watershed got the money.
[0:47:46] JB: Absolutely. Absolutely. If Dreamhouse Ballroom put it on, whatever it takes for us to get here, you take care of our DJ, whatever you make at the gate, it's your money.
[0:47:57] KM: Wow. But that's just really popular.
[0:47:58] JB: Right. Well, we did this until – and actually, we played one game this year. It's been an annual game that we do at Harris Elementary in North Little Rock. We do it, doing the Martin Luther King Jr. weekend. We played on a Friday night. The parents come out, their kids, they do. That's the thing about it. You get an opportunity to showcase your town's talent at halftime, because that's what would happen at halftime would be local entertainment. It would be somebody from whatever that town is. If it's a singer, or a dancer, or a group. A lot of it was gospel. A lot of times, we would have a team, or entertainment that would travel with us wherever we would go to be the halftime entertainment. Sometimes the halftime would last about 25 minutes to 30 minutes. It depends on the talent. That was all part of the show.
Basically, the jocks, one of the jocks would go and do the announcing for the game and that type of thing. We've gone from, as I said, Dermont, I know we were there for over 32 years in a row that we played there in Dermont every year. I mean, from Arkadelphia to Dermont to Cersei to Conway.
[0:49:05] KM: You don't still play, do you?
[0:49:07] JB: No, we never. Like I said, I think I may have played – I'm going to tell you my last time playing.
[0:49:11] KM: Mm-hmm.
[0:49:13] JB: This is a true story. We had a game in Arkadelphia, and this is how long ago this has been. We had a game in Arkadelphia. They said, we got this girl that is going to play. Of course, being the man that I am, ain't no girl going to beat me playing no basketball one on one, okay?
[0:49:29] KM: Uh-oh.
[0:49:32] JB: Let me say this, Kerry. See, I didn't know, but I should have known when they told me her name was T-Bone, I should have known that I was in for a game. When T-Bone got up, I knew the game was over.
[0:49:44] KM: She takes two.
[0:49:45] JB: She wasn’t that big. But boy, she could play some ball. That's all I can say. She wasn't young. I mean, she was a baller. Let me tell you what's so funny about it. About a couple of years ago, her son came up to me and was saying, “Man, my mama beat you at basketball.” I said, “What? Your mama?” “Man, my mama named T-Bone.” This has been 30 years ago, almost.
[0:50:08] KM: She's so proud of herself, she's telling everybody.
[0:50:11] JB: I know, right? I don’t even think this kid was born yet.
[0:50:13] KM: No, I guess not. Well, that's good. I'm glad y'all are still doing it, because I can see why people will want to come out and see a bunch of jocks, a bunch of – y'all are celebrities in town. It’s a great thing. I'm glad you're keeping it going. How do people get in touch with you?
[0:50:25] JB: Very simple. You can follow me at BJOE923, BJOE923. I'm on all social media platforms. Or if you just go to Cumulus Media, you can see my profile and my numbers there on the page.
[0:50:39] KM: Now, you can see all your times that you're on the radio, you're on the mornings, on Power 92.
[0:50:44] JB: Right. Catch me at Power 92 from six days a week, from 6 to 9 in the morning. Thursday mornings, I do my talk show on KOKY. That's from 9 until 10. Video show, midnight, 2 a.m., CW Arkansas. The podcast, it's on my page. You can see that on my page also. Just go to my social media pages, you can see that, pull up some old shows, that kind of stuff, and look at them.
[0:51:10] KM: I love it. We're going to also put a link to all of your stuff on our website at Arkansas Flag and Banner. We're going to share all that information with all of our listeners today. If you're listening to this and you can't remember all of KOKY, just go to KOKY and look for all his information, or go to flagandbander.com, and we'll have it there, too.
[0:51:25] JB: Thank you, Kerry. Thank you so much for being –
[0:51:27] KM: Thank you, Joe. It’s been great.
[0:51:28] JB: - here. Thank you for giving me an opportunity to be on your platform. Thank you.
[0:51:31] KM: Thank you, Broadway Joe.
[0:51:32] JB: I got to get you on my show now.
[0:51:34] KM: Okay. I’ll come over. I won’t even charge you $1,000.
[0:51:38] JB: $1,000.
[0:51:40] KM: I have you a desk set and this was supposed to – There's an extra hole in the little desk base here. That's supposed to be for South Carolina.
[0:51:47] JB: Oh, really?
[0:51:47] KM: Mm-hmm. When I come on your show, I'll bring it to you.
[0:51:50] GM: Yeah. We owe you a South Carolina flag.
[0:51:52] KM: That's a US and an Arkansas, and I should have gotten an Air Force flag for you.
[0:51:57] JB: Yeah. Okay.
[0:51:58] KM: That'd be good in here, too. You haven't lived anywhere else, have you?
[0:52:01] JB: No.
[0:52:02] KM: That's it. All right. This show was recorded in the historic Taborian Hall in Downtown Little Rock, Arkansas and made possible by the good works of flagandbander.com, Mr. Tom Wood, our audio engineer.
[0:52:16] JB: Yo, Tom.
[0:52:18] KM: Mr. Jonathan Hankins, our video engineer. Miss Delora DeVore, production manager, and my co-host, Mr. Grady McCoy, the fourth AKA so Gray. To our listeners, we would like to thank you for spending time with us. We hope you've heard or learned something that's been inspiring, or enlightening, and that it, whatever it is, will help you up your business, your independence, or your life. I'm Kerry McCoy and I'll see you next time on the radio. Until then, be brave and keep it up.
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