Christina Lecuyer
Confidence Coach
Christina Lecuyer is a confidence coach living in Conway, AR. Previously a professional golfer turned television personality, Christina soon realized that her wealth hadn't brought her happiness.
After years of battling low self-confidence, an eating disorder, and tying her worth to external validation, Christina has created what she refers to as “the best life ever” which includes a business coaching clients from around the world. Through her signature “Decision, Faith & Action” framework Christina has helped thousands of clients curate their own “best life ever”.
Christina is one of only a handful of coaches that specializes specifically in building confidence using a 1:1 coaching model, because she believes it's the long term accountability and support from working on both mindset and strategy that creates sustainable and enjoyable long term results of self trust and confidence.
Listen to Learn:
- About Christina's background as a professional golfer
- About when Christina climbed Mount Kilimanjaro
- How Christina helps people redefine success, and more...
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TRANSCRIPT
EPISODE 406
[INTRODUCTION]
[00:00:08] GM: Welcome to Up in Your Business with Kerry McCoy. A production of flagandbanner.com. Through storytelling, conversational interviews and Kerry's natural curiosity, this weekly radio show and podcast offers listeners an insider's view into the commonalities of entrepreneurs, athletes, medical professionals, politicians and other successful people all sharing their stories of success and the ups and downs of risk-taking. Connect with Kerry through her candid, funny, informative and always-encouraging weekly blog. And now it's time for Kerry McCoy to get all up in your business.
[INTERVIEW]
[00:00:40] KM: Thank you, Son Gray. This show began, as he said, in 2016 as a way for me and other hardworking people to pay forward our experiential knowledge. But it wasn't long before my team and I realized that we were the beneficiaries. Listening to our guests has been both educational and inspiring. To quote the Dalai Lama, "When you talk, you're only repeating what you already know. But if you listen, you may learn something new." After listening to hundreds of successful people share their stories, I've noticed some reoccurring traits. Most of my guests believe in a higher power, have the heart of a teacher. And they all work hard.
Before I introduce today's guest, who checks all the boxes? I want to let you know, if you miss any part of today's show, want to hear it again or share it, there's a way. And Son Gray will tell you how.
[00:01:26] GM: All UIYB past and present interviews are available at Up in You Business with Kerry McCoy's YouTube channel, Facebook page, the Arkansas Democrat Gazette's digital version, flagandbanner.com website, or wherever you listen to podcasts. Just ask your smart speaker to play Up in Your Business with Kerry McCoy. And by subscribing to our YouTube channel or flagandbanner.com's email list, you'll receive prior notification of that day's guest. Back to you, Kerry.
[00:01:51] KM: Thanks again. My guest today is a former professional golfer, corporate event specialist, CEO, speaker, podcaster and performance mindset coach, Mrs. Christina Lecuyer. Did I say Lecuyer right?
[00:02:05] CL: You did.
[00:02:06] KM: Yeah. I love that name. Though born in Canada, Christina has somehow made her way to the South and now resides with her husband in Conway, Arkansas. Before each UIYB interview, our guests are sent a questionnaire to fill out. One of the questions is, "Tell us something you are most proud of in your life or career." Christina gave the most unusual answer. She replied, "I am for sure the most content and happiest person I know."
Today we're going to find out how this ex-pro athlete, living on the circuit, went from stressed out to the happiest person she knows in her four-part series called What Failing as a Golf Pro Taught Me About Business. Or you could retitle it The Confidence to Live in Your Purpose. It is a pleasure to welcome to the table the former professional golfer, confident coach and host of Decide It's Your Turn podcast, Mrs. Christina Lecuyer.
[00:03:02] CL: Thank you so much for having me. I totally forgot I filled up that form. It was so long ago. I'm like, "What did I say?" But then when you said it, I was like, "Yeah, that's probably true."
[00:03:11] KM: Before we get started with you giving advice to our listeners, we need to tell them why you have the street creds and what your story is. And talk about your top-tier athletes and entrepreneurs that you've helped. You grew up in Canada. And if I remember correctly, you are a late bloomer to the game of golf.
[00:03:31] CL: Good memory. Yes, I was. I started playing golf when I was 18. My dad was in the golf world. Both of my brothers played since they were in diapers. But I was very much – I was the oldest child type A personality and I was like, "I'm not going to do that." And so, I had no desire to do it until I was about 18 years old. And I started working at a golf course. And I'm a huge tomboy. Love sports. Love hanging out with the guys. And after work, they all went and played golf. I was like, "I guess I better learn how to play the sport." And so, from 18 to 21, I got really good. Within the first year, I broke 190 and 80. And in the second year, I won the first event I ever played. So that's pretty quick.
[00:04:09] KM: What was your score on the one you won? What's the lowest you've ever –
[00:04:12] CL: The lowest I've ever shot is 66. I've done it numerous times. But I've never gone lower. But I don't remember what I won that golf tournament with. They were all scores in the 70s. They weren't in the 60s or anything like that. But it was a three-day tournament. It was pouring rain. That's all that I remember about it. I mean, my gosh, that was like a minute ago. But, yeah, I remember they were all scores in the 70s. It was pouring rain. It was at the Edmonton Petroleum Club in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. But that's as much as I remember.
[00:04:42] KM: How'd you end up in Arkansas?
[00:04:43] CL: It's a crazy story. Between high school and college in Canada, typically people take a year off between school. Well, I took three. I didn't really know what I wanted to do. I've always a worker. I've worked since I was like 10 years old working for my dad on the golf course. And when I turned 18, I started working in the bar industry night and the golf course during the day. And for like 3 years, I just decided after high school I was going to travel. I went backpacking through New Zealand for about four months by myself. And when I got home, I just started working in the golf course and then working at the bars at night.
And then I was working at a golf course, my dad hooked me up with the guy that I was working for. And I was working in the golf shop and the ping rep, his son went to UCA. And he said, "You know, you should really apply for a scholarship. They're looking for women. The UCA women's golf team has only been around a couple of years. You should apply." And so, they connected me at the time with the people in charge at UCA. And I got pretty much – I think it was like 75% scholarship for the first year. And then it was a full ride after that.
But funny enough, my middle brother who was ranked really high in Canada, his scholarship fell through at like Miami and UNLV. I don't even remember where he was going to go. But he ended up coming to UCA at the same time. We both came down the exact same year. He went for 5 years. And then on his fifth year, my youngest brother came. So, I graduated. Ryan spent one more year. And then Steven did four years. All three of us played at UCA.
[00:06:09] KM: UCA is lucky.
[00:06:09] GM: Straight from Canada. Wow. That's incredible.
[00:06:11] CL: From Canada. UCA golf program back in the day – I can't speak for it now. But back in the day, they used to have a lot of foreign people, foreign athletes. The way that I look at it and kind of explain it is athletics in the United States of America is the gold standard. And every other country wants to come here. If you're a great golfer in the United States, you're probably going to a top-50 school. But if you're a great golfer around the rest of the world, you're more likely to look at schools that aren't like top-caliber, top-tier. And UCA, great program. But it's not like a –
[00:06:46] GM: National headline.
[00:06:47] CL: Exactly. It's like not like an Arkansas, or a Duke, or whatever. We ended up doing fantastically the years that I was here. I was an All-American. I won five times. I did really well in college. But I think it was in thanks to the part that I wasn't playing against the best in the world. I was playing against good athletes, but not the best.
[00:07:08] KM: Is your husband in Arkansan?
[00:07:10] CL: Yeah. He's from Conway.
[00:07:12] KM: You met him at school?
[00:07:13] CL: I met him – well, no. He's a little bit older than me. He's seven years older than me. He was already graduated and running a construction company by the time that I met him. But we met. My college roommate, her husband worked for Nathan.
[00:07:26] KM: And you've been married a long time. When did all of this happen?
[00:07:28] CL: We met – we've been together 21 years.
[00:07:31] KM: So you were in college during –
[00:07:33] CL: I met him while I was in college.
[00:07:34] KM: And what years was back in the old days?
[00:07:37] CL: 2003, we met. 2003. Yeah, what is it? Yeah, that's 21 years ago.
[00:07:41] KM: Your two brothers ended up staying here and playing golf?
[00:07:42] CL: No. Both of my brothers ended up going back to Canada. One lives in Vancouver and Calgary.
[00:07:45] KM: Good. I'm worried about your mother losing all her kids.
[00:07:49] CL: No. They're in the process of getting the US citizenship. My parents would switch her in a second.
[00:07:56] KM: Yeah?
[00:07:57] CL: Oh, absolutely.
[00:07:59] KM: What's up with Canada? Everybody in America wants to move to Canada. And everybody in Canada wants to move to America.
[00:08:04] CL: I'll be honest with you. I'm an American citizen. And I think it's the greatest country in the whole entire world.
[00:08:08] KM: It absolutely is.
[00:08:09] CL: Absolutely. 100%.
[00:08:10] KM: And people need to remember that.
[00:08:12] CL: People need to remember that. It is the greatest country on planet Earth. And if you have a problem with it, you can leave for the rest of us.
[00:08:19] KM: You were voted the top confidence coach in 2020.
[00:08:23] CL: Yeah. I got voted the top one in 2020.
[00:08:25] KM: Tell us how it all came crashing down. You didn't make the tour. You ended up with an eating disorder, I believe.
[00:08:36] CL: I did. Yeah.
[00:08:37] KM: Tell us all the ugly gory details of that life. How wonderful it was, it sounds like, just now.
[00:08:42] CL: Yeah.
[00:08:43] KM: But then, it came to a peak, I guess you could say, and everything changed. How did that come about?
[00:08:49] CL: Yeah. I went to school here. I was an All-American. I played for four years. I did quite well. And then I turned pro right after playing college golf. And I started to get a little bit of notoriety. There was a television show on the golf channel back in the day called The Big Break. And it was like a very big show for golf. It was a reality show of golf. But it was a big deal.
And so, I got some fame doing that. And then, all of a sudden, I got the opportunity to host corporate events. And I was still playing. I tried to get my tour card for about three years. But for me during that period of time, everything was based on how I looked, how I played golf and how I was making money. That was where I was getting my external validation.
And for probably up until about 27 years old, I was always chasing that next thing. I was always chasing that thing to make me happy. If I get the next job, I'll be happy. If I lose the weight, I'll be happy. If I get my tour card, I'll be happy. And it was always an external, which if you're always chasing the external validation, you're never actually going to be happy. And at about 27 years old, I had missed my tour card for about three years. I was doing corporate events. I mean, I was making money. I was with my now husband. And I was skinny, and pretty and had all the things kind of going for me. But I just really wasn't happy.
And so, at about 27 years old, I just kind of had this rock bottom moment where I just decided, I was like, "Well, there is people out in this world that have a lot less than me and they're happy. How the hell did they do that?" And that's really when I dove into self-development and mindset work. The power of the mind. And for the last 15 something years, I have just been living, breathing and dying that. And over the five or six years in the beginning when I started that, I was investing into every coach, every program, every event, every retreat that I possibly could. And then along the way, people started coming to me because I had the ability to be happy and make a lot of money.
And I was living literally my best life. And had a business around it. And people were wondering how that happened. And then, organically, my business just kind of evolved from there. And then people just wanted to work with me to help them do the exact same thing. And so, I've been – you can call it confidence coach, performance coach, mindset coach. But I work with a lot of entrepreneurs. I work with men and women. I basically believe that – I personally believe that the power of the mind is everything. And I think a lot of people try to do life in business by themselves.
And, unfortunately, I think that you can make all the money in the world. But if you're not enjoying it along the way, what's kind of the point? And I'm a big proponent of actually being really successful. Don't get me wrong. I love money. I love opportunities of money. I love all those things. But I also really value the journey along the way. And so, I help people have the best journey ever and make money.
[00:11:36] KM: That's great. This is a great place to take a break. When we come back, we'll get some free life advice from confidence coach, ex-pro golfer, Mrs. Christina Lecuyer. We'll be right back.
[BREAK]
[00:11:47] GM: You're listening to Up in Your Business with Kerry McCoy. A production of flagandbanner.com. In 1975, with only $400, Kerry founded Arkansas Flag and Banner. Since then, the business has grown and changed along with Kerry's experience and leadership knowledge. In 1995, she embraced the internet and rebranded her company as simply flagandbanner.com. In 2004, she became an early blogger. Since then, she has founded the nonprofit Friends of Dreamland Ballroom. And in 2016, branched out into this very radio show, YouTube channel and podcast.
In 2020, Kerry McCoy Enterprises acquired ourcornermarket.com, an online company specializing in American-made plaques, signage and memorials. In 2021, Flag and Banner expanded to a satellite office in Miami, Florida where first-generation immigrants keep the art of sewing alive and flags made in America. Telling American-made stories, selling American-made flags, the flagandbanner.com. Back to you, Kerry.
[INTERVIEW CONTINUED]
[00:12:47] KM: Thanks, Gray. We're speaking today with ex-pro golfer, Mrs. Christina Lecuyer, a performance and mindset coach, speaker and host of Decide It's Your Turn podcast. Christina, I saw you speak at Rotary. I have to tell you, it was a great speech. I mean, I left kind of walking on cloud 9. I really liked it.
[00:13:07] GM: And she came back talking about it.
[00:13:08] KM: Yeah. At the time, you asked the audience this question. And, Gray, be thinking about this question. Because you're going to have to answer it in a minute.
[00:13:13] GM: Okay. Okay.
[00:13:17] KM: You asked the audience if they had the power to change one thing in this world, what would it be?
[00:13:21] GM: Oh, you came home asking everybody this.
[00:13:24] KM: I did?
[00:13:24] GM: Yes.
[00:13:24] KM: See? I told you you made –
[00:13:26] CL: That's good.
[00:13:27] KM: I mean, a lot of people said hunger and homelessness. Gray, what would yours be?
[00:13:32] GM: I remember thinking, "God, that's so huge," and then I didn't answer it. I mean, if I had to just say, it would be something probably like climate change. It's like a thing that I feel like hangs over.
[00:13:44] KM: Well, I think mine would be disinformation. I wish that we could get rid of disinformation. And it really is basically gossip. Gossip was not good in grade school. It's not good in junior high. It's not good at the workplace. It's not good on the internet. And that's basically all it is, is just gossip. And it's just like gossip, it builds on itself. It just spreads. If it's bad gossip, it spreads fast.
[00:14:08] GM: Do you get a lot of those like Pollyanna kind of pageant answers to that question, I guess? Climate change, and world hunger, and –
[00:14:18] CL: Yeah. I think that I was actually – I was interviewing someone. And that was one of the things that he said on a podcast. I actually brought that up to him. And then I've started asking people that question, because I think it's really good. I think you can tell a lot about a person by how they answer that question. And so, for me personally, I was just like I hate when people have excuses of why they can't do something.
I said personally, I hate a person not being confident in the ability to – what I believe is live out their God-given purpose. Do the thing that they say they want to do. That just frustrates me beyond belief. Because I'm just like there's so many people in this world and your excuses are what are keeping you stuck.
And so, for me, I'm just so passionate about a person actually finding a way to yes and being able to do the thing that they ultimately are here to do. And that might be the best gardener in the world. That might be to start a business. That might be to like themselves more, whatever it is. But I think for me personally, I just get so frustrated by people who have excuses why they can't do the thing that they say they want to do.
[00:15:20] KM: Oh, I should have had that one. That's a good – that's kind of a pet peeve of mine too. But I'm not as nice about it.
[00:15:23] GM: And that's more like a what is something – and that's less about like what do you want to change and more about what do you wish you could do, I feel like.
[00:15:31] KM: I don't know. She said – I wrote it down. She said, "Grant everyone the confidence to live in their purpose to do the things they say they want to do," and then in quotes, "while creating revenue."
[00:15:44] CL: While creating revenue. The creating revenue part is the part that I sometimes leave off. Because I think a lot of people stop themselves from doing something. I was doing a speaking engagement years ago here in Little Rock and I was like, "If you want to bake the –" and I think at the time, I said effing. And I can say that on this podcast?
[00:16:01] GM: Oh, sure.
[00:16:01] KM: No, you cannot. Because it's going to be on the radio.
[00:16:02] GM: Oh, I guess that's true. All right. All right.
[00:16:05] CL: But if you want to bake effing cupcakes, bake the cupcakes and then find the way to the revenue. I think so many people stop themselves from doing something in the beginning because they're thinking about step 10 or step 100 and they're not thinking about step two. And they're not actually doing the thing that they love and enjoy. Because most people who do something that they love and enjoy – and if you do it long enough, I believe opportunity presents itself.
[00:16:29] KM: Absolutely.
[00:16:30] CL: I believe you'll figure out the way to monetize it. But the only way to figure it out is to actually take action. To actually do something. To actually do the thing that you say that you want to do. And so, for me I'm just like I'm not the kind – I'm very kind to my clients, obviously. But I'm also – my job is to not let them hold themselves back with their excuses. Let's find a way to yes. Let's take the next action step. And I think that a lot of people need that.
[00:16:56] KM: I love that. The title of your talk at Rotary was What Failing as a Golf Pro Taught Me About Business. And then you retitled it on the website, because you can look at it on the website. And it's now called The Confidence to Live in Your Purpose. And you outline four main reasons that hold people back from their dreams. And we're going to start with the first one. Fear of failure.
[00:17:15] CL: Yeah. Most people are so concerned with the fact that they're going to fail before they even start. You never know. And what is failure really? You know what that mean to me? I believe that like failure right off the bat mean, "Gosh. Failure is not even willing to try." Be willing to try something.
Most people fail at everything. Most successful billionaires and millionaires, they've all gone bankrupt a few times. You're going to get your ass kicked. You're going to fall down. And that's just part of life. And I think failure is – we look at it wrong. I think we need to look at failure as a good thing. It's like fall down a thousand times, you're going to figure out what to do the next time.
[00:17:51] KM: Failure is data collection.
[00:17:53] CL: Correct.
[00:17:55] KM: It's learning from – sometimes you almost learn more from your failures than you do from your successes.
[00:18:00] CL: Oh, most certainly. Absolutely. But we have such a negative connotation. I mean, you ask most people, they come to me and they're like, I want to do this thing or whatever. But I'm so afraid. I'm so afraid." It's like what are you so afraid of? To me, I'm not even really afraid to die. I'm just afraid that like I'm going to run out of time. That's my biggest fear is that I'm just running out of time.
I wake up so early. I live life to the fullest. I say yes to everything that like sets my soul on fire. I say no to everything that doesn't. Have zero time for things that like are just not bringing me life. I mean, for me it's just like you're going to run out of time and you're going to be so pissed at the end of your life that you didn't do it.
[00:18:39] KM: All right. Second one, imposter syndrome. The feeling not worthy. I like imposter syndrome. The first time I heard that terminology I think was on the Kardashians.
[00:18:50] CL: Oh, really?
[00:18:51] KM: I'm one of those. And she said it. Because even Kim Kardashian has imposter syndrome. And I like that terminology a lot better than low self-esteem. Because I wouldn't say that Kim Kardashian has low self-esteem. But I do think that even people without low self-esteem often feel like they're unworthy.
[00:19:14] CL: Well, I think there's a big difference between imposter syndrome and worthy. Because I personally as a Christian, I believe everyone is worthy. You are worthy. But you can build your confidence. You can build that imposter syndrome. Getting rid of that imposter syndrome by taking the action. I mean, no one's good at anything when they first start. You probably are much better podcasting now than you were 700 episodes ago.
[00:19:40] KM: Oh, my [inaudible 00:19:40]. Yes.
[00:19:41] CL: Yeah. And you were an imposter in the beginning. I'm sure you felt like, "What the heck am I doing? Am I going to do this right? There's people that are so much better than me." I mean, you can look at Kim Kardashian, she's a mogul in all of the business things that she's done. But if she were to go out on the golf course and say that, "Okay, I'm going to be a professional golfer," I'm sure she'd feel a bit like an imposter. I say to clients all the time, "I mean, I'm nervous to do this thing." I'm like, "Okay. Perfect. Do it a thousand times. And I guarantee you, you won't be as nervous."
[00:20:10] KM: You said this, "Build confidence by action. Confidence is like a muscle. The more you use it, the stronger it gets." I can absolutely attest to that. I almost did not graduate from high school because I was afraid to make a speech in speech class. I make speeches all the time now because I decided I was going to learn to do it. You can absolutely overcome it if you just keep practicing.
[00:20:37] CL: Yeah. I mean, it's just like anything, right? You're probably going to suck in the beginning of most things. But you have to kind of have to know the why behind it, too. Right?
[00:20:47] KM: Tell our listeners a story about how you were playing a charity corporate event. She could play – okay, Christina plays charity corporate events. Gets paid $10,000 a day.
[00:20:59] GM: Killer. Yeah. That's well deserved.
[00:21:03] KM: I mean, yeah. Forget the PGA Tour.
[00:21:05] CL: No. It's not forget the PGA Tour. Those guys are making a hell of a lot more money. I am not that good of a golfer. I always said I had a bit of the trifecta, which is I look a certain way. I play golf a certain way. And I can BS a certain way. And I think that those three things put together, it kind of was a trifecta for me.
I think the thing that I'm best at is the power of human connection. I think I can really – I can pretty much connect with anyone. And I think, oftentimes, that's really the thing that propelled me the longest for sure. I mean, yes, I wore a short skirt for a reason. I wasn't going to show up in a muumuu. And I also played golf to a decent level. Better than most. But compared to actually good golfers, I'm not that good. But compared to most, I was pretty good.
[00:21:49] KM: You get asked at one of your charity events, you get asked to host a really big event. And you are – talk about an imposter. Tell that story.
[00:21:56] CL: Yeah. Absolutely. David Feherty at the time was a huge. And he's still huge. But at the time, he was really popping off on the golf channel. He had the Feherty Show. And I had a client come to me with a really huge budget. He had about $100,000 to host this event and he wanted me to put it together. And I felt like an imposter. I mean, I was good at the part that I was good at, which was hitting shots and BS-ing. But I had never put together an actual event. And that's more of an event planner.
But at the time, I knew that I had to say yes to it. And so, I said yes and acted like calm as a cucumber. But once I shut my car door, I was like, "Oh, my God. How the hell am I going to pull this off?" And I just kept taking action after action. I just kept figuring it out. I don't even know if I believed it then. But now it's a huge pillar to what I believe. And there's always a way to yes. You can find a way to yes for anything. No is just a starting point. And so, I just found a way to yes and I did it extremely well. And I knew that that was really going to propel me.
And I think a lot of people would have said no to that opportunity. I think a lot of people would have kind of psyched themselves out. But I just kept showing up. I just kept taking action. And I knew that one thing about me is I'm probably not that good at most things. But I'll work harder than most people. And I have a mindset that's pretty strong. And so, with those two qualities, that's how I knew I was going to figure it out. And I did. And it was fantastic.
[00:23:20] KM: It's like eating an elephant. The old African proverb. How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time. You just keep doing one action step after the other. And then you picked this guy up. I think it was Feherty you picked up at the airport. And he was pissed off. And he looked at you and was like –
[00:23:35] CL: Who is this chick? What the hell is she doing here? I do not want to talk to her. But, yeah, I had a short skirt. A short dress on. And I think within probably 10 minutes, he kind of knew that I was not some dumb, whomever. But I sorted out his luggage. I got everything figured out with the event. He and I started talking business. And still to this day, we're good friends.
[00:23:59] KM: Love it. All right. Third one, resilience. Resilience is built by taking action and doing the hard things.
[00:24:08] CL: Yeah. Resiliency. It's just kind of like what I talked about. Find a way to yes. Be willing to do hard things.
[00:24:14] KM: What's your family motto?
[00:24:16] CL: Oh, happier, healthier, more patient and kind. My husband and I have this family motto. We do hard things. And we also have like this bracelet that we wear. It says HHPK, which is happier, healthier, more patient and kind. And then we do hard things.
[00:24:32] KM: Speaking of that, what is 75 Hard?
[00:24:35] CL: Oh, we did 75 Hard when I – was I on 75 Hard when we did that? I was. I bet. I was.
[00:24:40] KM: What is that?
[00:24:42] CL: 75 Hard is – a lot of people look at it as – Andy Frisella created it. He has a very successful – he's probably one of the top 10 podcasters in the country. He is more of a motivational performance coach, business. He owns 1st Phorm, which a lot of people know it's a supplement company. It's a few hundred million dollar company. And he created this program called 75 Hard. And it is a – I think it's a mindset program. A lot of people use it as like a diet. But it's basically, for 75 days straight, you have to drink a gallon of water, workout twice a day separated by 3 hours.
[00:25:17] KM: What now? What now? You have to do what? Start over again.
[00:25:20] CL: Yeah. Exactly. You're like, "What?"
[00:25:21] KM: How many days?
[00:25:22] CL: 75 days straight.
[00:25:22] KM: Oh, 75 hard.
[00:25:24] CL: 75 hard.
[00:25:24] KM: You have to you drink a gallon of water a day.
[00:25:26] CL: Gallon of water a day, which is super easy.
[00:25:29] KM: It's not.
[00:25:30] GM: I was going to say, that's not as much as you think.
[00:25:32] CL: Everyone should be doing that. That's like the number one –
[00:25:34] KM: Except for waters, it's got so many contaminants in it these days.
[00:25:40] GM: Okay. Off-topic, mom.
[00:25:41] KM: Okay. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead.
[00:25:42] CL: A gallon of water. Two workouts a day. You decide the workouts. They have to be 45 minutes and they have to be separated by 3 hours. One of them must be outside. How my husband and I do it is like we go to the trainer in the morning for 45 minutes. And then in the afternoon, we'll go for 45-minute walk. That's what we do.
[00:26:00] KM: That's nice.
[00:26:00] CL: Or you can get on the StairMaster. I have a StairMaster at the house, so I could do that. You could do yoga. You could lift weights, whatever you want. But it has to be two workouts. One has to be outside separated by 3 hours for 45 minutes. You have to read 10 pages of a book. You have to take a progress photo. And you have to follow a diet. And you choose the diet. Whatever it is. My husband and I did basically like whole foods. Anything under seven ingredients. And you did it for 45 days. And if you miss anything, you got to start from the beginning.
[00:26:28] KM: Did you do it? Did you make it?
[00:26:29] CL: Oh, yeah. Yeah, we've done it twice now. We did it when I turned 40. And we did it when he turned 50. And I promise you, I don't want to do it again.
[00:26:38] GM: I mean, obviously, you're trying to reset good habits or whatever.
[00:26:44] CL: It's all about mental.
[00:26:44] GM: Yeah. Yeah. Do you feel like you've seen a kind of longevity of –
[00:26:49] KM: Benefits?
[00:26:51] CL: Oh, absolutely. I'll be honest with you, if I'm being 100% serious, I live this type of lifestyle I'd say like 80% of the time. For my husband, it's lifechanging. It has revolution – I mean, I probably lost like two pounds if I even paid attention to it. But my husband lost 17 pounds the second time. I think he lost 18 pounds. And it's not like he has a ton of weight to lose. But he got really – I could show you before and after. He was ripped.
But, yeah, it's really – it's all about mindset. It teaches you how to really plan your day. You have to be very organized. You have to be on top of things. You have to like – there was times where we woke up at like 4:00 in the morning to make sure we could get our first workout in on the weekends. And then we could do our second workout at like 9:00 so then we could be done by 10. Just follow a diet for the rest of the day so we could like have a life and go do things.
[00:27:45] KM: Do you ever – what's that fasting called? Intermittent fast?
[00:27:48] CL: I don't. No.
[00:27:50] KM: Do you drink coffee?
[00:27:51] CL: I do.
[00:27:51] KM: Do you drink alcohol?
[00:27:52] CL: Yes.
[00:27:53] KM: Oh, okay.
[00:27:54] CL: Honestly – and I'm obviously not a dietitian or anything like that. But I will tell you, I had an eating disorder for probably 15, 16 years of my life. And I will tell you now that the only thing I do – and I say this in – and I kind of joke. I walk every single day. Every single day, I'll never miss an outside walk, because it makes me feel good. And I just don't eat like – and I know that that sounds so weird. But I promise you, my whole thing is – I promise. I want to feel good. I base everything that I do, things that I say yes to, and my lifestyle. I go to bed early. I wake up early. I say no to situations that I do not want to do. I don't overeat. I don't overdrink. I just base everything on feeling really good.
[00:28:44] KM: Don't eat like an – that should be the name of your next podcast.
[00:28:48] CL: But it's true. It's like don't eat the whole container of ice cream. Don't drink the whole bottle of wine. But I eat sugar. Sugar's my kind of vice. I don't eat a lot of fried food and stuff. But I'll have something sweet every single day. And I just don't overgo.
[00:29:06] KM: You are big proponent of visualization.
[00:29:08] CL: I am. Yeah.
[00:29:10] KM: What does that mean?
[00:29:10] CL: I mean, I'm a big believer in affirmations. I'm a big believer in saying it until it becomes true. A lot of people say like affirmations don't work. And that's a little woo-woo and stuff like that. And I'm just like I just decide that it's going to work no matter what. And I just keep showing up to believing that it will until it does.
[00:29:28] KM: Well, I think that's a lot of what prayers and meditation are, are just affirmations.
[00:29:31] CL: Yeah.
[00:29:33] KM: The why. Do you think this – this is the fourth step. We've done – let's see. We did with fear of failure, imposter syndrome, resiliency. And now we're on the fourth step, the why. Do you think that this is the most important one of all? Or are they all the same?
[00:29:47] CL: No. I think it's very, very helpful. I mean, it's so easy to quit if you don't know your why.
[00:29:52] KM: You got to know why you – here it is. The why. Do you want to accomplish – why do you want to accomplish thing that you put on your bucket list?
[00:30:01] CL: Or that you want to do. That you say that you want to do. I do this job because it's my why. I don't do it – don't get me wrong. I love what it comes with it. But I do it because there's nothing else on the planet I'd rather do. I'll figure it out. I'll be resilient. I know my why. I keep going.
[00:30:20] KM: When I interview people for a job here and I ask them why they want to work and they say things like, "I love people. And I just want to serve." I'm like, "They're lying." But when they say I need the money, I go, "Okay, you're my girl."
[00:30:34] CL: But you know what? I don't know – I do love people. I want to help people so badly. Sometimes I always say – I did this big podcast that really blew up. And the host of it said – he calls it the back of the hand mentality. And I say kind of it's what's your biggest strength is usually your biggest weakness. I care so much that it is my biggest weakness. But it's also my biggest strength.
[00:30:58] KM: All right. This is a great place to take a break. When we come back, we'll continue our conversation with the confidence coach and ex-pro golfer, Mrs. Christina Lecuyer. Still to come, when is it time to change the trajectory of your life? Is your identity tied up in what you do or who you are? More confidence learning, golf tips. LIV versus a PGA. Is it a good thing or is it not? We'll be right back.
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[00:31:40] KM: We're speaking today with ex-pro golfer, Mrs. Christina Lecuyer. A performance and mindset coach, speaker and host of her podcast Decide It's Your Turn. Here's what I read on your website.
[00:31:53] CL: Yeah.
[00:31:54] KM: "My secret to success; confidence. What does confidence have to do with success, you ask? Everything. Confidence is the difference between sitting on the sidelines and actually playing the game of life. It's the next level energy you need to ask for what you want. Be okay with failing. And never give up on yourself. Confidence is the thing that transformed my career, business, and life and hundreds of my clients. And I know it can transform yours, too." Let's talk about your business. We kind of talked about how it came about. It was just organic. But when did you decide to give it a name and make it a real thing?
[00:32:33] CL: Yeah. Probably about seven years ago, I'd say. I started putting together what I call – do you know what a mastermind is? Or for most people, they don't know what masterminds are. It's just basically a like-minded group coming together to accelerate growth. I think who you surround yourself with really matters.
[00:32:48] KM: Well, how did you find your masterminds?
[00:32:51] CL: Started self-development books, podcasts. This was before podcasts, YouTubes. And I just found people who were super inspirational. And I know that they put together groups. And so, I started paying tens of thousands of dollars right off the bat. Because I was just like, "I know I want what they have." The fastest way to get that is to pay for it.
And I just put myself in rooms. I started going to events. Personal development seminars. Hiring coaches. And then I hired my first coach probably –
[00:33:18] KM: Life coach?
[00:33:20] CL: You can call it life coach if you want. Sure. For me, it was more of like the mindset behind. Mindset behind business. Mindset – figuring out how to actually change my mind, change my life and then also create a business around it. I hired a business coach probably maybe about four or five years ago. But my first coach was really just helping me figure out how to create a mastermind. Because I had been a part of them and I knew that they were so successful. And I knew that I had changed completely by being in groups of like-minded people.
I started putting together women's masterminds back in 2017, I think was my first one. And I started my first one here locally with like local women. And they just were overjoyed. And so, then I started really marketing it and selling it. And then I started doing them. I did some in California. I did one in Arizona. I've done now a few here in Arkansas. But now my business is more transitioned to just one-on-one.
Because what I had learned throughout the process of doing masterminds – I think I did about eight mastermind groups. And then I has done a few women's retreats as well.
[00:34:24] KM: And you led those groups.
[00:34:25] CL: I led those groups.
[00:34:26] KM: After you paid to learn about it, you began to lead your own groups.
[00:34:27] CL: Yup. Correct. Because I knew how transformational they were.
[00:34:31] KM: It was for you.
[00:34:32] CL: Oh, my God. Changed my life. 100%. And every woman who's – I can't say every woman. But I did only women's masterminds. I do men's and women's coaching. But I only did women's masterminds in the beginning. And I'll tell you, every single person was completely changed to their bones. I mean, it's just –
[00:34:49] KM: Every single person what?
[00:34:51] CL: Was changed to their bones. Every single person left those groups just completely different person.
[00:34:56] KM: You tutored women when you did your masterminds. But when you went out and learned about it, you were going with men also, too.
[00:35:03] CL: Oh, yeah. Men and women is what I did in the beginning. And then I just started only with women. My first one was only four. My second one, I think I did about six. And then after that, they got to as big as 20 people. And then during the pandemic, they were all online. I did the those 2020 through 2022.
And then in 2023, all of these people who were in group programs with me, they all ended up being – they wanted to work with me one-on-one. And so, I just started to understand that there was a bigger transformational shift when someone had one-on-one. And people always tell me, "Why do you do this? It's a bad business model. It's not even a business." Because if your clients go away, your revenue goes away. But I have always – I've been very blessed. I'm very blessed to be able to do this full-time.
I mean, don't get me wrong. I make a great living. But I think the one-on-one transformation, working one-on-one with someone is one of the greatest experiences ever to have that one-on-one. I call it like relationship type of coaching situation. Because I want to know good things, bad things, comments, concerns. I am for my clients 24 hours a day, seven days a week. And so, I really want to walk through life and business with them. And I think that that has the biggest transformation.
Because I thought about this when I was playing golf. I knew I just didn't need my coach like Thursday afternoon for an hour. I wanted to be able to ask him, "What am I doing?" Good things, bad things. When I won. When I lost. When my mind was crap. I needed to know all of these things. And so, I thought to myself, "What is the fastest way to really transform someone's life and business is to be with them 24/7."
And I don't have children. This is what I'm super passionate about. I only take on 30 clients at one point in time. But my full-time clients have 24/7 access to me to make sure that we're giving them the biggest transformation possible in the shortest amount of time.
[00:36:57] KM: What's the biggest problem that people come with you?
[00:37:00] CL: If you want to know the real, real truth?
[00:37:01] KM: Yeah.
[00:37:03] CL: It's patterns, habits and stories that people have from their childhood that literally they haven't changed and is keeping them stuck or keeping them from getting what they want. One of the big taglines that I have is that you are no longer your parents' decisions. And if you want to transform something, you have to reprogram. Because really what I ultimately do is help people reprogram stories, patterns and habits to get what they want instead of following what their families did.
[00:37:34] KM: Using it as an excuse to not get what they want basically.
[00:37:35] CL: Yeah. A simple one –
[00:37:38] KM: Accidentally, actually.
[00:37:39] CL: Very simple, easy one that a lot of people really kind of get is like a money mindset. Let's say your parents had a horrible money mindset. Your parents were afraid of money. Whatever it is. You grow up, you're afraid of money. You don't know how to make money. You don't know how to hold money. You don't know how to spend money. You are afraid you're going to lose it. Or you're always hoarding it. Or you're always spending it. Well, you learn that from your parents.
I mean, if I'm being – I've said this on my podcast a thousand times. My parents had a horrible money mindset. Well, I never had an issue with money. I've actually made money since I was like 10 years old. I've always had money. I know how to make money. I'm not afraid of money. But I had those stories, patterns and habits from my parents. Until I reprogrammed what I want to believe about money, I was literally living out their lives.
And so, for me it was just about reprogramming what I wanted to be true in order to serve me now. And you can talk about this in relationships. You can talk about this in business. It's all of the exact same patterns, habits and stories. Whether it's your personal life or your professional life.
And so, I work with clients who have every business under the sun. Insurance agents, to retail boutiques, to not only business owners, but people who are in corporate. I have a corporate CEO who probably makes $5 million a year. I mean, it's all the same things. We're all human beings doing the exact same things. And until you figure out – my job is to give the external perspective. I can see what is most people's stories pattern and habit. And then my job is to help them understand what they want to reprogram to get a different result. It's really, honestly, that simple. And yet, so hard.
[00:39:22] GM: Mm-hmm. I mean, we just talked about that with a relationship therapist a couple months ago.
[00:39:26] KM: We sure did. About how marriages and –
[00:39:28] GM: Well, and reprogramming childhood wiring.
[00:39:33] CL: It's traumas.
[00:39:34] GM: Yes. Yes.
[00:39:35] CL: People don't want to use the word. There are big T's, little T's. Every single person on the planet is super traumatized in some way no matter how –
[00:39:41] GM: Oh, yeah. We're all carrying the childhood trauma. Yeah.
[00:39:44] CL: Exactly. And no matter how great your parents were, all of those things – it doesn't mean your parents are bad. It just means what did your parents do that you are okay continuing? And what did your parents do that you no longer want to continue through? Because that is usually the thing that's holding you back from getting what you want. Whether it'd be in your personal life or your professional life.
[00:40:04] KM: What if your life is great, but you're ready to reinvent yourself?
[00:40:10] CL: There's no reason why anyone should stop themselves from doing anything. I've had clients well into their 70s. And I'm so blessed to have clients who are – still to this day, I have a 19-year-old client. Her parents pay me. What a responsibility, I feel.
[00:40:24] KM: Yeah. Right?
[00:40:25] CL: But I feel really blessed about that. But there's no reason why. I mean, if you still got a heartbeat, you can make a change.
[00:40:32] KM: If you want to change your life, it's fine. Your life is completely good. What advice do you give them on how to decide what to do?
[00:40:42] CL: I think most people know ultimately inside of themselves what they want to do. The first thing I would say is block up the external noise. Get off the phone. Get off the internet. Quit listening to what everyone has to say. I personally believe deep down, every single person knows if you get still and you actually listen to yourself. And a lot of people have to train that muscle of listening to themselves. Because, oftentimes, people have basically turned that off. They care so much about what everyone else has to say that they don't even know what they're saying to themselves.
The first step is like figure out what it is that you actually want. I kind of usually give about three things of like people, like, "Oh, I just don't really know." Because clarity is huge. It's one of the most important things that people kind of skip over. Because you can't get something that you don't even really know, what you're going for.
I would say the first thing is like what is it that you could talk about all day? I could sit here talking about this for the next seven hours. I'm super passionate about it. And the second thing is, is like what skill do you have? What is it that you're good at? What do you enjoy doing?
And, again, don't always think 10 steps ahead. It's just like what am I passionate about? What do I enjoy doing? And then, usually, something in there about like what discrepancy do you see? Or what kind of makes you angry? For me, it really makes me angry when a person says they can't do something. Or like I don't have the means. Or who am I to do it? Or whatever. I kind of get pissed off at that.
And so, for me, when I look at all three of those things, this is my purpose. This is what I want to do. And so, look at yourself. What kind of makes you mad? What do you want to stand up for? What do you want to talk about? What are you passionate about? What could you talk about all day long? Somewhere in there, you're probably going to find what your next step is.
[00:42:31] KM: Oh, that's good advice. What are you passionate about? Look for opportunities in there. The big changes that have happened in my life have come from unraveling that was out of my control. I mean, something happened, you know? You end up getting divorced. Or you can't keep a job. I started Arkansas Flag and Banner because I kept getting fired from every job I ever had. I was like, "Well, I guess I'm going have to work for myself."
[00:42:53] GM: Opportunity.
[00:42:54] KM: But if you don't have that, and nothing pushes you out the door, and you have to learn to trust your thoughts. That's basically what you're saying is find where the passion is and get quiet.
[00:43:05] CL: Unfortunately, most people don't make a change. Most people are very average. Most people are okay with average. Most people are – the hardest thing to do is to make a person who's comfortable make a change. Most people are quite comfortable. Works okay. Marriage is okay. Kids are okay. Weekends are okay. Those people, it's the hardest. Honest to God. It's the hardest.
It's the person who's had like a bit of a rock bottom. It's the person who has like this big kind of shift where they're like, "Oh, crap. I got to do something." It's so much easier to go after something when the pain of change is worse than the pain of staying the same. And a lot of people are okay with the pain of staying the same. And maybe it's just a God thing for me. But there's no deeper pain than staying like average. Or there's no deeper pain for me than just like being whatever.
And, yet, I use the word content all the time. I am so content with my life. But I don't – my husband hates that word. But I'm so content with what is. And from that space, it allows me to get to the next level.
[00:44:27] KM: You coach clients from around the world to curate their best life. Your website says you're a performance and mindset coach specializing in helping high-achievers, business owners and entrepreneurs find more joy, be less overwhelmed and make more money. And I love this quote, "Most importantly, have lives that they don't need a vacation from." How do people go about hiring you?
[00:44:48] CL: I mean, you can find me on social media. You can listen to my podcast. You can send me the word coach to 501-222-3362. It's easy to kind of get a hold of me.
[00:44:59] KM: We got the internet.
[00:45:00] CL: Yeah. We got the internet. Put in B. Christina. I don't use my last name very often because it's just so hard to spell.
[00:45:06] KM: Yes, it is.
[00:45:07] CL: Yes, it is. I'm B. Christina. Because I encourage everyone to be themselves.
[00:45:11] KM: Is that's your husband's last name or yours?
[00:45:14] CL: It's mine.
[00:45:14] KM: I thought so. Because it's very Canadian-French. What's your husband's last name?
[00:45:18] CL: Lecuyer is how you say my name.
[00:45:20] KM: Say it again.
[00:45:21] CL: Lecuyer.
[00:45:22] GM: Where in Canada where you from?
[00:45:24] CL: I'm from Edmonton. No one in my family actually speaks French. It's just a French last name. Yeah. That's an East Coast name.
[00:45:30] KM: You do face-to-face. You do Zoom meetings. You're for hire for speaking engagements?
[00:45:36] CL: Yes.
[00:45:37] KM: Do you do a lot of that?
[00:45:38] CL: I do. Yeah. I'm very fortunate. I go in, do a lot of corporate training. A lot of corporate – do one-on-one first. And then we come in and do like a training day. And then we do a little one-on-one after. I believe the one-on-one is so important, because that's little – usually where you get a little bit of vulnerability. And from there, that really allows us to find the truth. And so, I start with a one-on-one capacity for all the employees or whatever. And then we do an in-person training day. And then we follow it up with some one-on-one podcast.
[00:46:09] KM: Your podcasts are free. People can go and listen to those.
[00:46:11] CL: Yes. Absolutely. Decide It's Your Turn. Yeah.
[00:46:12] KM: I mean, if you got the money, they can hire you for $10,000 a day.
[00:46:16] CL: It's not $10,000 a day for coaching. But that'd be nice. But, no. I'm very blessed.
[00:46:23] KM: We're speaking today with ex-pro golfer, Mrs. Christina Lecuyer. A performance and mindset coach, speaker and host of Decide It's Your Turn podcast. But everybody wants to know about golf tips.
[00:46:35] CL: Everyone does. I cannot get away from golf.
[00:46:38] KM: No.
[00:46:38] CL: And here's the thing. I still love golf. But it is so not anything that I'm as passionate about. I'm just competitive. If it were golf or curling –
[00:46:48] GM: Do you still play?
[00:46:48] CL: Oh, yeah. I play once a week. I call it my old man money games. It brings me so much joy.
[00:46:52] GM: I love that.
[00:46:53] CL: Yeah. I love it more than anything. But, again, I love the people. It could have been curling. It could have been baseball. It could have been whatever. But for me, it's always been about the human connection. But I am competitive. I'm glad that there's some sort of sport in there.
[00:47:07] KM: You beat those old men?
[00:47:08] CL: I do. Yeah.
[00:47:09] KM: Sure you do.
[00:47:10] GM: Of course, she does.
[00:47:12] CL: not every time. But, yeah. I always call my beer money. But, yeah.
[00:47:17] KM: All right. Golf tips.
[00:47:18] CL: Ooh, gosh. Golf is hard. What is it? What should I say when it comes to golf tips? Golf is one of those things that it's not like riding a bike. You actually have to practice to be good at it. You should enjoy the process. I think if I could have given myself a little bit of a tip back 20 years ago when I was playing golf, God, I wish I would have enjoyed it more. Because golf is one of those things, the harder you try, the worse you are. When you are just out there having fun and enjoying the experience, I mean, my God, you can play some really good golf.
And I'll tell you, 100%, I play better golf now than I did when I was grinding it out. Because back then, I was just trying so damn hard. And now I just go out and just have the greatest time ever. There's no one out on the golf course that'll have more fun than me 90% of the time. 10% of the time, I'm a bitch, because I'm playing bad. But 90% of the time, I'm just having a hell of a day. And it doesn't even actually matter what I'm shooting, or if I win the money or if I don't. I'm just super competitive.
[00:48:20] KM: You're not throwing your golf club?
[00:48:20] CL: Oh, no. I did that way back in the day. But now, no. I literally do feel super grateful for my life. And I'm so blessed. I'm a member at an awesome club. I have good people that I play with.
[00:48:31] KM: Does your husband play golf?
[00:48:33] CL: He does a little bit. He's not very good. He works a lot.
[00:48:35] KM: In order to get ready for this show, my husband and I went out and rode around in the golf cart at Burns Park. Do you know Burns Park is the largest city park in the United States?
[00:48:44] CL: Wow.
[00:48:45] GM: Oh, wow. I didn't know that.
[00:48:46] KM: It's huge.
[00:48:47] GM: It is huge.
[00:48:48] KM: And so, we decided to go out and play. Guess how many snowmen we got?
[00:48:52] CL: Quite a few.
[00:48:53] KM: Three.
[00:48:54] CL: There we go.
[00:48:54] KM: For y'all that don't know, snowmen are eights on par fours, or threes, or fives even. He was like – yeah, we don't ever play. But I want to like golf.
[00:49:05] CL: Yeah. Just putt, and chip, and hit one or two. I mean, my girlfriend, one of my – she was a client of mine for a few years. She's my hairdresser. She's the best ever. And we went out this past Sunday. Her and her husband and Nathan and I. And she played maybe two holes. The rest of the time, she just sat around in the car listening to music, drink a drink.
[00:49:23] GM: That's me.
[00:49:24] CL: Drive the car. Yeah. Hell, yeah. You got to enjoy it.
[00:49:26] KM: Well, yeah. I like riding around the golf carts. I like the refreshments. But after nine holes, I'm ready to go indoors.
[00:49:31] CL: Oh, exactly. A lot of people do not like the long – golf takes a long time. Yeah.
[00:49:36] KM: I want to like being – and I love to be outside. You know that. But I'm just no good at the game.
[00:49:43] CL: It's hard.
[00:49:43] KM: Do you have a favorite golf story?
[00:49:46] CL: Peter Jacobson, I remember back in the day. This was probably about – I don't know. Maybe 2003, 2004. A long time ago. I was walking around with him, Natalie Gulbis, Peter Jacobson. Arnold Palmer was there. Mr. Palmer was there, which was really, really incredible to get to talk to him and be next to him.
And I remember he said something to me that I always remember. He said, "You're going to be out here on tour." Because this was back in the time where I thought I was going to start playing. And he said, "You know, you're going to be around some great people." But he said, "Take what you want and leave what you don't." And I think that that's a quote that I use all the time now in life and business. I mean, it's not the most fancy quote. But it's like take what you want and leave what you don't. You can learn something from everyone. And sometimes you can learn what you don't want to do. And so, I really remember him telling me that and I've really kept it in my heart.
[00:50:32] KM: You said practice the short game.
[00:50:34] CL: Yes. Practice the short game. That's where you can get really good. People say drive for show. Putt for dough. And that's true. Most people just want to hit the – out of it. But really where you actually make money and when you actually like are good at golf, it's like can you putt and chip?
[00:50:51] KM: Professional golf is 98% mental, you said.
[00:50:55] CL: Oh, 100%. Yeah. There's no question. Once you get to the highest level in golf, I mean you're separated by just like .01 of strokes. And it all does come down to the mindset. I mean, I just – again, mindset is my life. Mindset is what I coach, I teach, I preach. And, I mean, look at the greatest athletes in the world. They're mentally so strong. And you can tell when a person's like a mental-midget, right? You can tell the person who just gets super rattled.
And so, for me, I think it's just all about the mind. When you have that greatness mentality, when you have that work ethic, and then when you have that natural talent. You put those three together, that's where we're talking like a Jordan, a Kobe, a Tiger. But really the people who differentiate on the golf course in my personal opinion, because everyone is just the best in the world, is those who can thrive under pressure and those who actually enjoy it.
[00:51:52] KM: All right. LIV Golf League versus the PGA. What do you think about Saudi Arabia getting into the business of golf? Does it matter?
[00:51:58] CL: I think they're already here. I think they're in every business.
[00:52:01] KM: Accept it.
[00:52:03] CL: Yeah.
[00:52:03] KM: We are a global economy now.
[00:52:04] CL: Exactly. And business is business.
[00:52:07] KM: What do you want our listeners to take away from the interview today?
[00:52:09] CL: You have the power to decide it's your turn. You have the power to decide your life. You have the power to decide whatever the heck you want to decide. You want to quit your job move halfway across the country? Do it? You want to learn to love yourself? Do it. If you want to reinvent yourself at 70, do it. I mean, you're going to die. The three of us at this table, this gentleman, we're all going to die. And, hopefully, it's not anytime soon. But what the hell are you waiting for? Life's much too short. And you have the power.
[00:52:34] KM: I'm signing up.
[00:52:35] GM: Yeah. I already knew that that was going to be your answer. Yeah.
[00:52:40] KM: Christina, I've really enjoyed talking to you so much. We got you a gift.
[00:52:44] CL: Oh, thank you.
[00:52:45] KM: It's a desk set.
[00:52:45] CL: Oh, lovely. And you put the Canadian flag. I’m here for it. Look at that.
[00:52:49] GM: We sure did.
[00:52:51] CL: I love it. Thank you so much. I appreciate it.
[00:52:52] KM: You're welcome. I hope you take it back and think of us when you're sitting at your desk.
[00:52:55] CL: Always. Thank you.
[00:52:56] KM: You're welcome. This show was recorded in the historic Taborian Hall in downtown Little Rock, Arkansas and made possible by the good works of flagandbanner.com, Mr. Tom Wood, our audio engineer. Mr. Jonathan Hankins, our videographer. Daughter, Miss Meghan Pittman, production manager. And my co-host, Mr. Grady McCoy IV. Son Gray.
To our listeners, we'd like to thank you for spending time with us. We hope you've heard or learned something that's been inspiring or enlightening. And that it, whatever it is, will help you up your business, your independence or your life. I'm Kerry McCoy and I'll see you next time on Up in Your Business. Until then, be brave and keep it up.
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