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Captain Olivia Wyatt
Filmmaker & Sailor

Born in landlocked Little Rock, AR, Olivia Wyatt moved to Rockaway Beach in New York after college and fell deeply in love with sailing. Today, she's captain to Juniper, a 34-ft haunted sailboat moored in the Soloman Islands of the Pacific Ocean, in addition to being an award-winning filmmaker, TV producer, and writer. Olivia has worked on racing boats, boat deliveries, and international charter voyages, with over 11,000 nautical miles to her credit.

Along with her passion for the sea is her calling to meet and bring awareness of endangered, indigenous people through her sailing adventures, storytelling, and filmmaking. Her 2015 feature-length documentary Sailing the Sinking Sea is candy for the senses. You swim underwater, sail on turquoise seas, learn sea gods’ mythology and watch Moken couples fall in love.

Today Olivia has set her sights on the 2026 Golden Globe race. Some of the rules are: Sailors must sail alone, non-stop, in retrofitted sailboats using 1968 technology. The race starts in France and sails from West to East around the Great Capes. Interestingly, more people have been to space than have rounded the Capes, and Olivia will be the first American woman to do so solo.

Tune in to hear firsthand from the brilliant, brave, beautiful, ambitious, award-winning ethnographic filmmaker and sailor, Captain Oliva O Wyatt.

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EPISODE 385
[INTRODUCTION]

[0:00:08] GM: Welcome to Up in Your Business with Kerry McCoy, a production of flagandbanner.com. Through storytelling and conversational interviews, and Kerry’s natural curiosity, this weekly radio show and podcast offers listeners an insider's view into the commonalities of entrepreneurs, athletes, medical professionals, politicians and other successful people, all sharing their stories of success and the ups and downs of risk-taking. Connect with Kerry through her candid, funny, informative, and always encouraging weekly blog. Now, it's time for Kerry McCoy to get all up in your business.

[INTERVIEW]

[0:00:40] KM: Thank you, Gray. My guest today is Captain Olivia O. Wyatt. She is a sailor, award-winning filmmaker, TV producer, writer, and United States Coast Guard certified captain. Currently, Olivia is living aboard her haunted 34-foot sailboat Juniper that is moored in the Solomon Islands of the Pacific. Akin to street cred, Olivia's sailing cred is beyond impressive. Captain Wyatt, as I like to call her, has over 11,000 nautical miles of Pacific Ocean beneath her boat and has sailed more than 9,000 of those miles solo.

Along with her passion for the sea is her calling to meet and bring awareness of endangered indigenous people through her sailing adventures, storytelling, and filmmaking. Her 2015 feature-length documentary, Sailing a Sinking Sea, is eye and ear candy for the senses. You swim underwater, sail on turquoise seas, learn, see God's mythology, and watch Moken lovers fall in love. You may have heard of the Mokens. They are the seafaring community in Thailand that because of their preserved folklore, survived the tsunami of 2004.

Today, Olivia has set her sights on the 2026 Golden Globe race. Some of the rules are sailors must sail alone, non-stop, in retrofitted sailboats using 1968 technology. The race starts in France, sails from west to east around the Great Capes. Interestingly, more people have been to space than have rounded the capes, and she will be the first American woman to do so solo. It is with great pleasure to welcome to the table the smart, pretty, brave, ambitious, creative, award-winning ethnographic filmmaker and sailor, Captain Olivia O. Wyatt.

[0:02:39] OW: Hello. Good afternoon.

[0:02:39] GM: Wow.

[0:02:43] KM: If that hasn't wet your appetite for this show, I don't know if there's anything that ever would.

[0:02:48] GM: I'm still stuck on the haunted boat part at the beginning. Never mind all the other stuff that –

[0:02:52] KM: We’ll get to it. We’ll get to it. Olivia, you are a total package.

[0:02:57] OW: Thank you.

[0:02:58] KM: What does your mother and father think about this?

[0:03:01] OW: Well, when I wrote to my mom and dad that I was going to cross the ocean, like, when I first set sail from San Diego to Hawaii, I gave them a heads up. My mom didn't speak to me for three weeks. But now she's onboard.

[0:03:16] KM: Not literally.

[0:03:18] OW: No, no. Figuratively. Yeah.

[0:03:19] KM: No pun intended. Well, we're going to talk about your solo trip to Hawaii and the adventure, the hallucinations, the god-like experiences, how it changed you forever, your regrets, your satisfaction that all came from it. I also want to talk about your preparation, your goal for racing in the 2026 Golden Globe race around the Great Capes, which are?

[0:03:41] OW: South Africa, South America.

[0:03:43] KM: And Australia.

[0:03:43] OW: Australia.

[0:03:45] KM: Okay, but before we get to your extraordinary life adventures, let's set the table for our listeners. How does a young girl from landlocked Arkansas fall in love with the ocean?

[0:03:58] OW: I don't know. I've just always been in love. I mean, we would go vacation on the ocean when I was younger and my parents couldn't get me out of the sea.

[0:04:07] KM: Are you talking about like, the Gulf of Mexico?

[0:04:09] OW: Yeah, we went to Mexico and Florida, places like that. Then after college, I moved to New York. About two months there, I realized, I could live in New York, but on the beach. The end of the A train is Rockway Beach, New York, so I moved straight away out there. I commuted an hour to the city each day. Then that's where I learned sailing. Somebody bought me sailing lessons from my birthday out there and that was it. I knew –

[0:04:41] KM: You went to school for journalism.

[0:04:43] OW: I did. I studied photo journalism.

[0:04:45] KM: You worked for –

[0:04:46] OW: Magnum Photos, which is a documentary photo agency. It's global, but it's run by the photographers themselves.

[0:04:54] KM: Do you love sailing, or do you love writing, or do you love filmmaking?

[0:04:58] OW: I love it all. When I'm sailing, I write every day that I'm at sea. I think that keeps me really grounded, because I have this, well, my mom can send me through satellite, like messages that blog readers are writing back and it feels like I'm not alone.

[0:05:17] KM: You can get satellite out in the ocean?

[0:05:18] OW: I can.

[0:05:20] KM: Is there anywhere you cannot get satellite?

[0:05:22] OW: No, but now with Starlink, you can get everything. I bought a Starlink and I already sold it, because I didn't want to be that connected. Now with this race, I can't have any technology onboard. I'll be using celestial navigation to find my way with the sun and stars. No computers.

[0:05:41] KM: Starlink is the Elon Musk satellite service, right?

[0:05:45] OW: Right.

[0:05:47] KM: You went and got a USCG certification, sailor certification, but you don't have to be part of the Coast Guard to get that certification?

[0:05:55] OW: No. It's called a captain's license. There's different tonnage depending on what kind of boat you want to work on. I was just getting it to use my boat personally to run charters on, so I got a 50-ton, which is one of the smaller licenses. For example, my boat is only, I think, eight or nine tons.

[0:06:18] KM: How long is your boat?

[0:06:19] OW: My boat is 34 feet.

[0:06:21] KM: Just for perspective, your boat, 34 feet is how many tons?

[0:06:25] OW: About eight to nine.

[0:06:26] KM: You've got 50-ton.

[0:06:27] OW: And I have a 50-ton license. I could be driving a boat much bigger.

[0:06:32] KM: Could you navigate the barge down the Suez Canal?

[0:06:36] OW: Well, I was going to take my boat up the Suez, because I need to get over to Europe, and it's the fastest way, but it's not safe to go in the Suez right now. Just, there's a lot of war and tension going on.

[0:06:51] GM: Socio-political stuff. Yeah.

[0:06:54] KM: I don't know that it's safe to go anywhere alone as a woman on a sailboat. I mean, I've always heard about pirates in the Caribbean and pirates out at sea. I mean, it is lawless at sea, isn't it?

[0:07:09] OW: Um, yeah, it's pretty lawless. I mean, I have been rob – I got robbed when I was in Fiji, but I wasn't onboard. I have a friend that got boarded and while – she was onboard and she got robbed by nine people. That was down, I think in Panama, the Panama area. But I haven't had anything really bad happen. Thank God. Yeah.

[0:07:36] GM: Do you feel like it's – you just have to be aware of where you're going ahead of time, like know what the state of affairs is on the water where you're going?

[0:07:44] OW: Yeah. When I'm near land, I'm always buddy boating. I'll be with other boats, just because I am alone and it is safer if something were to happen, I have people around. But when I'm offshore, it's a gamble. I have had it where there was a boat sitting right in front of me. I woke up one night and there was a boat just right in front of me, maybe two nautical miles. I thought they were waiting to attack me. But it turns out, they were just fishing and they were setting things in the water.

[0:08:16] KM: What ocean was that?

[0:08:18] OW: That was in the North Pacific. That was on my way to Hawaii. I had a knife out. I was ready for action.

[0:08:25] KM: Do you have a gun?

[0:08:26] OW: No, because I'm anti guns. I was in a robbery when I was 14 and shot at in the bullet missed me three inches to my right. Never since then – yeah, I just – I refuse to carry.

[0:08:39] KM: In Little Rock, Arkansas?

[0:08:40] OW: That was in Conway.

[0:08:44] KM: Well, I'm not sure that I would even be able to shoot somebody with a gun, even if I – I mean, I just don't know that it's in my nature to kill somebody. Even if they're about to kill me, I don't know if I could make that split second decision before they took the gun away from me and shot me with my own gun.

[0:08:59] OW: Yeah, I don't think I'd manage it properly either.

[0:09:02] GM: Right. Yeah. Especially if you're alone out at sea for a long time. Yeah, just a lot to take care of.

[0:09:06] KM: Well, and you're hallucinating. Yeah, sure you get a little crazy. You're like, “Is this reality? Or is this not reality?”

[0:09:14] OW: It is like being on a drug, the longer you're out there.

[0:09:18] KM: Yeah, you start going, “Did the sun come up? What day is it?” Eventually, you did buy a boat, The Juniper. You love this boat. I highly recommend anybody listening to go and look at your boat and take the tour of your boat online. It's on YouTube and it is charming. Tell us about your 34-foot boat. I can't say the name of the Ta –

[0:09:42] OW: It's a 34-foot Ta Shing Panda. It was built in Taiwan. My main sail has a little panda face on it, because that's the type of boat that it is. She's beautiful. She feels like a magical little hobbit hole that she has a lot of wood on her interior and some big, round curves. She did have wood index, but I removed them because that's a lot of holes to have in the boat, and water was leaking in, so I took those off. I don't know, she just feels really classic. She sails very well.

[0:10:19] GM: Her name’s Juniper?

[0:10:20] KM: Juniper.

[0:10:21] OW: Juniper. He had the previous owner died onboard, I believe. I mean –

[0:10:27] GM: That’s why it’s haunted.

[0:10:28] OW: Yeah. If he didn't die on board, I mean, he was very close to the end of his life onboard. The boat sat empty for 10 years. A lot of strange things have happened. People will come onboard that I've just met, and they'll be like, “Somebody died in here, or somebody's haunting this place.” I know it, too. I mean, I feel it. But it's fun when other people experience it.

[0:10:51] GM: Friendly ghost?

[0:10:54] OW: I don't know. I think he likes – he doesn't want me to go into certain areas, like –

[0:10:58] GM: Poltergeist? Yeah.

[0:11:00] OW: Whenever I'm working on the engine, things will go wrong. Or he'll open and close cabinets. I don't know. He causes a little scene.

[0:11:10] GM: I love this.

[0:11:11] OW: The clock, I have one clock. Every time I walk by it, it chimes, but it's only supposed to chime two times a day, or every hour and every half hour, sorry, two times an hour. But it just does it every time I walk by it. Headlamps go. The lights will just start flashing and then go off.

[0:11:27] KM: Why?

[0:11:28] OW: I don't know.

[0:11:29] GM: Because it’s haunted, mom.

[0:11:30] KM: Have you seen a pattern of like, you said, you walked by the clock, so it happens. Why do the lights flash on and off? You bring a guy onboard. Does it don't like it?

[0:11:38] OW: No, that'll be when I'm alone at sea, but the lights are – or if I'm working on something. I have two different headlamps. They were bought at two different times. I remember we were working on the engine one day and my friend was wearing one and I the other. I went to use the bathroom and he screamed. I said, well, and this is like a – he wouldn't normally scream about something. I was like, “Is everything okay?” He's like, “No, the headlamp is doing something weird.” I said, “Oh, the battery must be going out.” Right as I said, that mine started doing. He goes, “See, that's what mine was doing.” I don’t know. I don't know why. Then sometimes I'll just be reading, and it looks like it's controlled by a poltergeist.

[0:12:16] GM: I love that.

[0:12:18] OW: Yeah, there's more. There's a lot of stories, but –

[0:12:21] KM: What? Is there a best story?

[0:12:25] OW: There's one I am not comfortable sharing, because you all might think I'm crazy.

[0:12:29] KM: Perfect.

[0:12:31] OW: That’s perfect. But there is one. A friend's kid was over. All the cabinets on the boat have something called an elbow latch. It's when you're at sea, they won't just fly open. You have to put your finger in a hole and then pull this little trigger and it opens the cabinet. Well, my friend's two-year-old was on board. He doesn't know how to work the cabinets. We would just be talking and we turn around and he'd be holding one of my tools from my tool cabinet in his hand. I'd go and I'd put the tool away and I'd make sure the door was locked. 10 minutes later, he'd have another tool in his hand. It just kept going on. Finally, I was like, “Y'all have to get out of here.”

[0:13:10] GM: Wow. Yeah, that's a poltergeist.

[0:13:12] KM: Does it make you feel – what does a poltergeist mean?

[0:13:14] GM: A tricky, a tricky –

[0:13:16] KM: A tricky ghost?

[0:13:17] GM: Yeah.

[0:13:19] OW: Are they always nefarious? I don't know if this one –

[0:13:20] GM: I don’t think they're always nefarious. Maybe just mess with –

[0:13:22] KM: What's nefarious mean?

[0:13:23] GM: Like, evil. Evil-intentioned. Just, they mess with stuff.

[0:13:27] KM: You think yours is evil-intentioned?

[0:13:30] OW: No, but I think it wants to be the captain of the boat again. It would like me out of the way. I will say that he might be gone, because when I got – last year when I was in Fiji, a woman came onboard and she's like, “Oh, somebody, has died on here.” Then she went to the mountains and came back. She’s was like, “I got to go climb the mountain and get this leaf.” She came back six hours later with this magical leaf and she burned it and prayed.

[0:13:56] KM: Sage. Sage.

[0:13:57] OW: It wasn't sage. It's some leaf local to Fiji. I can't remember the name of it. I think it's like, Tale. It starts with a T. Anyway, she burned it and sang and prayed and –

[0:14:09] KM: He's gone.

[0:14:11] OW: She said it was gone now. I haven't had much activity since.

[0:14:14] KM: I believe in that. I had a haunted house for a little while. I didn't ever believe it, but my young son kept seeing this girl. Somebody came over and told me that I used to see this girl and this closet always smelled an all way. It would never let me open this closet and it always had this smell that would come and go and it wouldn't be there, and we think it was something in the wall. Then finally, when I came back and I moved back and start moving stuff around in that room, that smell kept coming and going and coming and going. I went out to the garden and I brought some sage in and I burned that, put that sage in the closet. It is gone. It has never come back. It was there for 20 years.

[0:14:49] OW: Yeah, sage is really powerful. I always have some onboard. This one, I mean, he wasn't moving with sage. I saged every cabinet. I saged everything. I was praying on my own. But this lady, I think, was more powerful than I am.

[0:15:05] KM: Your big, beautiful Juniper has a cutter ray with a big keel.

[0:15:11] OW: Yes.

[0:15:12] KM: You talk about how it’s the size of Texas.

[0:15:14] OW: Yeah. I mean, it’s a big keel. That’s really not. Actually, the race requires a full-keeled boat, the race that I’m doing. You can’t go on the boat with any other keel. But they make all different shapes and it affects the way that the boat handles, how fast it can go. The full keel, she tracks really nicely in heavy seas. They’re very durable blue water boats. Meaning, good for going offshore.

[0:15:46] KM: You said, when she sails, she sings.

[0:15:49] OW: Yes.

[0:15:49] KM: What does that mean?

[0:15:50] OW: Well, because she does – when the wind is blowing through everything, there’s all these sounds. Then I hang wind chimes up, these wind chimes that are made in the Pyrenees mountains. Those are always going. I put prisms. I have these hatches on the top of the boat, so I put this prism paper on it and there’s rainbows bathing the entire ship and moving around.

[0:16:15] KM: Is that why the cabin is always full of rainbows?

[0:16:17] OW: Yes.

[0:16:18] KM: Because you have prism paper over there.

[0:16:20] OW: Yeah, it’s like a contact paper that makes prisms.

[0:16:23] KM: It’s beautiful.

[0:16:24] OW: Thank you.

[0:16:25] KM: It really is. Her YouTube channel is, or your Instagram are so really fun to watch. This is a great place to take a break. When we come back, we’ll continue our conversation with Sea Captain Olivia Wyatt, who is preparing for a 2026 Golden Globe Race around the Great Capes, where she sails non-stop, solo, using 1968 technology. I’m talking about a compass, the sun and the stars. We’ll be right back.

[MESSAGE]

[0:16:54] GM: You’re listening to Up in Your Business with Kerry McCoy, a production of flagandbanner.com. Over 40 years ago, with only $400, Kerry founded Arkansas Flag and Banner. During the last four decades, the business has grown and changed, along with Kerry’s experience and leadership knowledge. In 1995, she embraced the internet and rebranded her company as simply, flagandbanner.com. In 2004, she became an early blogger. Since then, she has founded the non-profit Friends of Dreamland Ballroom, began publishing her magazine, Brave, and in 2016, branched out into this very radio show, YouTube channel, and podcast.

In 2020, Kerry McCoy Enterprises acquired ourcornermarket.com, an online company specializing in American-made plaques, signage, and memorials for over 20 years, and in 2021, opened a satellite office in Miami, Florida. Telling American-made stories, selling American-made flags, the flagandbanner.com. Back to you, Kerry.

[INTERVIEW CONTINUED]

[0:17:51] KM: We're speaking today with Captain Olivia Wyatt, a native of landlocked Little Rock, Arkansas, who has found a love for the sea and may very well be the first American woman to ever sail solo around the world, passing the three great capes in the 2026 Golden Globe Race. Talk about your solo trip before we talk about the race and how people can follow you. I loved looking at your website and reading about the 2026 race and looking at the – are they called trade winds? Or what is that that you have?

[0:18:22] OW: Oh, that's the map of our route.

[0:18:25] KM: It shows the current. It has arrows of, and I guess it's the current in the ocean.

[0:18:31] OW: No, that's showing the direction that we're going, I think, because the lines overlap at some point.

[0:18:36] KM: Yes, but it's also got all the ocean currency. Yeah. I don't know how you sail through all of that. I mean, you have to cross these currents that cross each other, that look extremely scary. For people not watching this and listening to it, but aren't watching it on YouTube, Olivia, you're not as big as me. I'm not big. How tall are you?

[0:19:00] OW: I think I'm five and a half.

[0:19:03] KM: Feet?

[0:19:03] OW: Yeah.

[0:19:06] KM: You have a 30 – How tall is your mast? 30 feet?

[0:19:10] OW: Yeah, the mast. I don't know. Actually, I mean, I have it on my schematics.

[0:19:14] KM: How does a five-foot woman hoist a wet sail up a 30-foot mast?

[0:19:21] OW: Oh, it's really easy. We have this thing called winches.

[0:19:24] KM: Yeah.

[0:19:27] OW: It's on a track. It’s easy.

[0:19:27] KM: But you said a lot of it has to be done from the top.

[0:19:30] OW: What do you mean?

[0:19:31] KM: You said, a lot of the mast changing has to be done from the top.

[0:19:34] OW: Most of my sail changes, I have to go up to the mast to do it. Meaning, I can't do it from the cockpit. Only one sail can be controlled from the cockpit.

[0:19:44] KM: You climb the mast?

[0:19:45] OW: I don't climb it, but I have to climb out of the cockpit and to the middle of the boat. When I'm in heavy seas, that's not really something you want to be doing. I have to walk forward, because you're safer in the cockpit, or the cabin when –

[0:20:00] KM: Sure, heavy seas. It's always during the heavy seas that you want to change the mast out.

[0:20:04] OW: Or that you need to change the sale. Yeah, because the stronger the wind is, the less sail you want. You want to reduce your sail.

[0:20:11] KM: Right. Yeah. You're sleeping at night, your little cubby hole and all of a sudden, a storm blows up and you're like, “Oh, I better get that sale down.” It's raining and it's terrible. The wind's blowing. You have to put a harness on before you go out?

[0:20:25] OW: I do. I wear something called a PFD, or personal flotation device. It's a deflated life jacket. If I were to fall in the water, there's a little pill that dissolves and it will automatically inflate. I tether, I put that on and I tether myself to the boat to move around.

[0:20:42] KM: Thank goodness. That makes your mother sleep better at night.

[0:20:47] GM: I don't know about that.

[0:20:48] KM: Telling you, she's a trip, y'all. She's a trip.

[0:20:51] GM: I can't imagine anything more cozy though than coming back to your cabin after doing something like that. Just there has got to be this really intense feeling of gratification, I guess.

[0:21:01] KM: Oh, you know it.

[0:21:01] GM: She's nodding. Yeah.

[0:21:04] KM: How did it come about that you were going to go solo? You didn't originally think that, did you?

[0:21:11] OW: No. There's a lot more involved with sailing than just sailing. You have to be mechanically and electrically inclined, which I'm not. I mean, there's lots of stuff that can break onboard. I think, for me, after I got the boat, I was going out in gales, or really strong winds and seeing how she behaved and learning the boat. Then I knew I wanted to cross, but I didn't want to go alone.

I dated several people, hoping that they were going to be the ones to go with me. I realized, I was so desperate to find someone, I had been sacrificing self-love, because I was making really poor decisions in that department. I realized that I needed to go alone to overcome that, to find that self-love that I was missing and that self-reliance and all of that. It was really a spiritual journey for me. I was looking for growth.

[0:22:07] KM: Have you ever been alone on the ocean at night before that?

[0:22:10] OW: No. Sailing. I had only sailed solo for six hours prior to that journey. That was just over to Catalina Island. When I got on the boat, and that was my first time alone at night, at sea.

[0:22:25] KM: What did you think?

[0:22:27] OW: I mean, I was nervous. Because I was at a higher point of sail. I was sailing closer to the wind, which can feel more chaotic, because the way the swell is hitting you and the wind is screaming at you. When I was in my birth, it just was like, the waves were hammering me. I mean, I can't even begin to tell you. It just felt like a marching band was smashing all their instruments right in my ears, kind of thing. It was pretty rough conditions. I just said, “You know, Olivia, if you can make it to the next morning, just see if you can make it to the next morning.”

[0:23:02] KM: Was that the first night?

[0:23:03] OW: Yeah.

[0:23:04] KM: You didn't check the weather before you went out?

[0:23:05] OW: I did. But I was leaving in the middle of hurricane season.

[0:23:11] KM: Why?

[0:23:14] OW: Well, it was just the very beginning of it, actually. It was August. I have a weather router. I work with commander’s weather on my weather routing. It was the optimal time to leave. If I had waited any longer, I would have gotten deeper into the hurricane system.

[0:23:33] KM: You could have waited a year. Found another boyfriend.

[0:23:37] OW: I know I just had to do it. No, I just had to do it then.

[0:23:39] GM: Spiritual journey, mom.

[0:23:42] OW: I was ready. The boat was ready. It was time.

[0:23:46] KM: Yeah. Then you went on by yourself to Fiji.

[0:23:50] OW: To Fiji. Then from Fiji to Vanuatu. Vanuatu to the Solomon's. I spent about a year in each place.

[0:23:57] KM: Oh, so this is a four-year trip.

[0:23:58] OW: Yeah.

[0:23:59] KM: So, you still have your boat down the Solomon Islands?

[0:24:01] OW: Yes, I just sailed there in September. I will be leaving there in April. I need to get further west pretty fast. I'm going to be going through Papua New Guinea and Indonesia. Then by next November, I'll be heading towards Africa.

[0:24:18] KM: Which great Cape are you passing then?

[0:24:22] OW: I think it's Cape Good Hope, sorry.

[0:24:26] KM: Good Hope.

[0:24:27] OW: I get the Cape's confusing sometimes.

[0:24:28] KM: Yeah, me too.

[0:24:28] GM: South Africa is Cape of Good Hope. Are you working as a journalist through all of this, taking pictures, writing, stuff like that?

[0:24:37] OW: Yeah, I've been writing and taking, making little films as I go. Also, I work for companies. I'm a freelance filmmaker. I did a big project for Google last year, one for National Geographic the year before. It just depends who comes my way. I have been working probably half a year as I go.

[0:24:58] KM: How do you get a gig like that?

[0:24:59] OW: They come to me.

[0:25:01] KM: They do. I've been watching your stuff and they come to you.

[0:25:03] OW: Well, or I'm recommended. For example, I made three feature films and making those got me noticed by a company called Vice. Then Vice hired me to make, or produce a TV show for them that was in the same realm as my films. Then from there, I did a show for Melissa McCarthy, the year that I sailed to Hawaii that was on NBC. She had seen the Vice show.

[0:25:30] KM: What'd you do?

[0:25:32] OW: I was the field producer for the show. A little big shot. Sorry, I keep forgetting the name.

[0:25:40] KM: All right, let's talk about what happens to a person when you're alone on the sea.

[0:25:44] OW: Okay.

[0:25:44] KM: Did you think, “Oh, my God. I've gone crazy. Why did I do this?” How many times did you think that?

[0:25:50] OW: No. I didn't think I'd gone crazy. I mean, you never know what something's going to be like, until you're out there. I mean, I had been at sea before, but with other people. I have to tell you, every time I set foot on that boat, or move that boat, I am facing a fear. I mean, it's not like – it doesn't feel like getting on a bike and just going somewhere.

[0:26:10] KM: Really?

[0:26:11] OW: Yeah. For me, it's a lot. It's a lot, especially when you're sailing near land, because there's things to run into and a lot of things that could go wrong.

[0:26:21] KM: Sailing near land is –

[0:26:22] OW: It's scarier. It’s scarier. Because, especially the parts of the world that I'm in now, they're not charted properly. You can't trust the maps. You have to be using satellites and yeah.

[0:26:36] KM: You got that big keel that can just drag on anything.

[0:26:38] OW: Yeah. I've hit reef before.

[0:26:41] KM: What do you do when you do that? Back up? Can you back up? Does it have a motor on it?

[0:26:47] OW: My boat has an inboard engine. Yeah, but I had to get five dingies alongside me and we took a line from the top of the mast and pulled the boat on its side to get it to slide free.

[0:27:01] GM: Basically, drag it off. Yeah.

[0:27:02] OW: Yeah.

[0:27:04] KM: Then you've got repairs.

[0:27:06] OW: Yeah, but that wasn't that big. The repairs on that weren't that bad.

[0:27:09] KM: Talk about the loneliness out there. It's got to be weird to not talk to anybody for that long.

[0:27:14] OW: Yeah, I miss human voices. But with the satellite, especially on my first trip, I made, I think, two or three phone calls. One was because my engine stopped working and I worked on it for three days and couldn't get it to go. Then I had to call someone, like, should I keep going? Should I turn around? They said, “Just keep going, but turn all your systems off.” I had to turn all my electronics, my fridge, everything. Once a day, I would turn them on and make sure I was going the right way. That's because I only had 200 watts of solar and there wasn't a lot of sun that time of year out there. Without the engine, I needed the alternator to charge my batteries and I didn't have it. I didn't have enough battery power.

[0:27:58] KM: This new race that you're going to do in 2026, are they going to let you do solar power?

[0:28:01] OW: I can have solar in the race. I'm going to have more solar for the race. Yeah.

[0:28:04] KM: Then, will you ever get to turn your engine on? Because you did have engines in 1968.

[0:28:09] OW: Yeah. I'll be at sea for 250 days. Maybe more. I can only use what's onboard with me, right? My tank holds 90 gallons of diesel.

[0:28:20] KM: You don't ever get to stop anywhere and refuel?

[0:28:24] OW: No. You don't get to stop and get more provisions. That means all the food that's on with – onboard with me, that's what I've got.

[0:28:29] KM: 250 days’ worth of food.

[0:28:31] OW: Yes. Or I can catch things. Or water, I'm going to need to collect rain. It would really be with nature.

[0:28:37] KM: Being a lover of film and writing, I'm sure you knew you would chronicle your travels. With your emphasis being on documenting indigenous people that are really on the brink of extinction.

[0:28:46] OW: Well, yeah. All of my documentary films have been about indigenous communities. For this race, we now are seeing with the rising sea levels, a lot of communities are being affected. I mean, already, there are people coming – Solomon Islands. There are certain islands that are sinking. There are people coming from other neighboring islands and moving to the Solomon's, because they've already lost their islands. I really want to raise awareness about what's happening with climate change to these communities.

[0:29:15] KM: They're not really sinking. It's that the water is rising.

[0:29:17] OW: The water is rising. Yeah.

[0:29:20] KM: Which makes the islands smaller.

[0:29:21] OW: Mm-hmm. So it makes them sink.

[0:29:24] KM: Or makes them sink. I thought that was a clever way of – because your movie is called Sailing the Sinking Sea, when it's really –

[0:29:33] GM: Rising.

[0:29:35] KM: I thought that was a good play on words.

[0:29:36] OW: That's because the Moken, that movie is about a nomadic seafaring tribe called the Moken. Their name literally means, sinking in water. Their ancestors told them that was the curse of who they are. That's why they've learned to live so – to have this beautiful symbiotic relationship with water.

[0:29:59] KM: I was fascinated by how simple and easy their life was and they seemed happy. Although, I must say, some of the women did look bored to death.

[0:30:11] OW: Yeah. I think, too, because nowadays, before they used to all be nomadic and then only going to the huts, the huts you see on stilts during monsoon season. But now, because there's been all these shifts, societal shifts for them, that they're mostly on land. There's only a couple nomadic families that I found. A lot of times, the men are being sent to other places to do fishing. If I was a woman in that community, I would be – I mean, my husband is leaving for long periods of time.

[0:30:44] KM: Yeah. She used to go with him.

[0:30:47] OW: Yeah, they used to be together making life work on the ocean.

[0:30:52] KM: What do they die from over there? The food is so clean that they eat. It's probably not cancer.

[0:30:59] OW: In the Moken?

[0:30:59] KM: Uh-huh.

[0:31:00] OW: Well, so that was what it's cool about their community is that before, they didn't have a need for money, right? Even up in 10 years ago, they were trading for everything. They had all survived the Indian Ocean tsunami at a completely oral tradition. I mean, they're very removed from modern society. Now, their way of life is shifting. Also, so the men, when they're going and working elsewhere, I mean, if you're away from your partner, they're meeting their needs with other women. I think, diseases are being carrying back and killing them. They're being paid to do dynamite fishing, which is illegal, but still being done in Burma, or Myanmar. That's killing some of the men. Sometimes they're being pushed beyond their limits, but they're being paid to do it.

[0:31:53] KM: And they need money now.

[0:31:54] OW: Yes. Now they need money. Whereas, before all these, they didn’t.

[0:31:57] KM: Yeah. Because the ocean used to provide for them and it really doesn't. They don't have crabs and stuff like they used to.

[0:32:03] KM: Yeah. They talk about how everything should be, and that's because there's been some coral bleachings. What they're witnessing in their water, they're saying, we're not taking care of this earth. Our ancestors told us it's going to be a living ghost, unless we care for our earth. It's not them that's not caring for it, but everybody around them is not, right?

[0:32:21] KM: Yeah.

[0:32:21] OW: The ecosystem is totally messed up.

[0:32:24] KM: All right. It's a great place to take a break. When we come back, we'll continue our conversation with Captain Olivia Wyatt, who is preparing to be the first American woman to sail non-stop solo around the world in the 2026 Golden Globe Race. As if manning a sailboat is not enough, she must also do it using 1968 technology. No GPS. Just to compass the sun and the stars. Still to come, details of the Golden Globe Race and how you can follow along on her 250-day extraordinary trip around the three great capes.

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[0:34:02] KM: We're speaking today with smart, pretty, brave, ambitious, creative, award-winning ethnographic filmmaker and sailor, Captain Olivia Wyatt, who is preparing and raising money for her 2026 Golden Globe Race, entry fees, and boat repairs. As you can imagine, her 1986 sailboat, Juniper, must be in tiptop condition to start such a journey. It is a retro sailboat race. We're going to find out what she needs, how you can follow along and keep up with her, and what she's got to do to get ready. This is pretty fascinating. She'll be the first American woman to solo if she does it. How many times has this race happened then?

[0:34:45] OW: I'll be the first American woman to do this race. There is a woman who is the first – right now, she's out there, and she'll be the first American woman to sail solo non-stop around the world. I'll be the first American woman to do that's been invited to the Golden Globe, and I'll be the first American woman to do that without modern technology.

[0:35:04] KM: Oh, let's clarify that.

[0:35:05] OW: Yeah, I just don't want to –

[0:35:07] KM: Is she the first?

[0:35:09] OW: Yeah. I didn't even know that American woman hadn't done it, until she got prepared. She's in a different type of race right now and a much faster boat.

[0:35:18] KM: What made you decide to challenge yourself like that? Was there something in your upbringing?

[0:35:24] OW: I am the type of person that I really need something that I can pour myself into. I love big things that I can sink myself into, whether it's the films, or whatnot. I was at a point, I'll tell you all, my father passed away about six months ago, and it makes you look at life a bit differently. I love cruising, but I needed something more. I was in Vanuatu at the time, and I had just been thinking, what's next for me? I was going to maybe go back to school for screenwriting, or I was thinking about getting my pilot's license. I was going to keep the boat, but I wanted something big. I wanted to learn. I was thirsty to learn new things.

Well, I found out about the race. I found out, because a woman from South Africa won last year. Then somebody said, “Well, tell me more about the race.” Just another cruiser and I were talking about it. I looked it up and I found out that my boat was perfect for it. They're like, “Well, what are the rules?” Then I found out that you couldn't have modern technology. Then I started to really get electric inside by the – it felt like electrical inside of me, because, wow, that's going to feed me in all these ways that I was looking to be fed, right?

By the next day, I was texting people and trying to get in touch with racers from the previous race. I scheduled a call with two of those racers, one of them being the woman who won. Talked to them each for about an hour. I was like, “Yeah, I think I can do this.” Then I spoke to the race committee and he was like, “You were made to do this.”

[0:36:59] KM: I think so.

[0:37:00] OW: “I've looked you up. You are the type of person that can do this.” I said, “Well, I don't know if I have enough experience.” He said, “Olivia, you're already doing this. What's the difference?” That gave me some assurance. Then I still wasn't sure. But then, I dreamt that I was in the race for many, many nights straight. My dreams are my messages from God. The dream was showing me that it was a very uplifting thing to do for my life, that everything just felt elevating. I can't really describe it. I just would see myself on the water. I was told that I was in the race. It was easier than I imagined it would be.

I guess, he would show me that he was with me if that was a decision I decided to make. But I just kept dreaming and dreaming. It was like a bad song stuck in my head. It wouldn't shut up till I sang along, so now I'm singing along.

[0:37:57] KM: Do they do the Golden Globe Race every year?

[0:37:59] OW: Every four years.

[0:37:59] KM: Every four years, because you got to prepare.

[0:38:02] OW: Yeah. I have to do a lot of training to prepare for this race. I wanted to be a better sailor. I wanted to learn more and this is going to do it for me.

[0:38:11] KM: How much money is it going to cost for you?

[0:38:14] OW: I need to raise about $300,000. I'm a tenth of the way there.

[0:38:20] KM: You've got $30,000. You've got to raise $300,000.

[0:38:23] OW: I have to raise $300,000, but I can have a title sponsor. For example, one year DHL sponsored somebody and they painted the boat in the DHL colors and they named the boat DHL Starlight. That's title sponsorship. That would be somebody who wanted to give the full shebang. The return on investment on this race is quite big. Plus, I'm documenting it with a Netflix filmmaker who documented all the SpaceX launches. We're turning the – it's going to be good exposure for somebody to come onboard. My goal is to have a big Arkansas company. I would love that –

[0:38:56] GM: Oh, sure. Yeah.

[0:38:57] OW: - because I'm from here, right? I think that would be amazing.

[0:39:01] KM: It could be Dealers.

[0:39:02] OW: It could be Dealers. It could be Walmart. It could be Tyson. It could be anybody.

[0:39:05] KM: Do you make a living off of your filmmaking?

[0:39:08] OW: I do. Right. Like I told you, National Geographic, Google, these different people hire me to do stuff. My income comes from creating – people will come to me and say, we want to tell a story about this. Help us create – Let's do some storytelling around this. I'll come up with a 10-video series, or 20 video series, or five video series.

[0:39:31] KM: How did they get your name originally?

[0:39:33] OW: Through my filmmaking. Then it's word of mouth. Somebody saw my film and then they said, “Hey, check this girl out.” Then one company hires me to do something. Then another company sees that and another – Like I said, Melissa McCarthy, she just happened to see the show I did for Vice and loved it. She saw all the episodes and she noted, because I wasn't the only producer, but every show she liked, I had produced. We lived with native Alaskans and went subsistence hunting and we lived with the Muslim community. Again, it's that idea of like, we're going to show you somebody just living their lives so you can see how similar they actually are to you.

[0:40:09] GM: You get deep into their way of life. Yeah.

[0:40:11] OW: Yeah.

[0:40:12] GM: Got you.

[0:40:13] KM: Ethno, what'd you call it?

[0:40:13] OW: Ethnographic.

[0:40:14] KM: Ethnographic. I watched a documentary, or not a documentary, excerpt from 60 minutes years ago on these people who, the Mokens who went to the higher lands, because they knew about the tsunami coming because of folklore. Did they learn about that through your film?

[0:40:31] OW: No. No, because I went back 10 years after the tsunami. I've probably learned about it through somebody else that had done it in the media. The way that my film is different is that it's just being told through the voices of the Moken themselves and is a bit more poetic. I don't interject myself, or show their faces.

[0:40:53] KM: You don't. All right, let's tell everybody how they can get in touch with you.

[0:41:00] OW: Wildernessofwaves.com is my website and then Wilderness of Waves is also my Instagram and my YouTube, and there's contact info on all of there.

[0:41:10] KM: There is so much stuff. People can follow you along, give to you right now, help you reach your goals. Safety, you said there's going to be safety, because you'll be able to have a one-way radio to call out, see if you can find anybody there. Talk about how you think this trip will bring awareness to endangered indigenous people.

[0:41:36] OW: I was speaking about the Northeast Maritime Institute. They have an online global think tank, which is approaching. I mean, they're looking at issues on the water and they're teaming up with scientists and they're finding way – they're finding solutions. For example, they teamed up with some guys that were upset about fishing, the fishing nets, the ghost nets. They're coming up with lineless fishing methods.

[0:42:02] KM: What?

[0:42:03] OW: Yeah. For me, when I went to them, what we're going to do is probably do some storytelling around indigenous communities. Would do a big global map and have different people upload from all over the earth and show how big this problem is and highlight all the areas where –

[0:42:21] KM: But you won’t be stopping there.

[0:42:23] OW: I won't be stopping, but I'm going to help create this community. Then we're going to – I want to start with the Marshallese, because I'm from Arkansas and we have the large population of Marshallese immigrants here in Northwest Arkansas.

[0:42:37] KM: What?

[0:42:37] OW: Yes. They came here originally for the Tyson chicken factory. Then what happened is they have sea levels rising there. And so, a lot of people are coming here now, because they already have relatives here and they need to get away from home.

[0:42:52] KM: Where did you say this is?

[0:42:53] OW: Northwest Arkansas.

[0:42:54] KM: No, the –

[0:42:55] KM: The Marshall Islands.

[0:42:58] OW: Yeah. Marshall Islands.

[0:42:57] GM: They originally started coming here, because of nuclear testing, right? They came because of the nuclear testing and Tyson sponsored their relocation and let them work in the chicken factories.

[0:43:08] OW: A lot of Marshallese also ended up in Hawaii, but we have the larger population.

[0:43:12] GM: Yeah. My understanding is that there are more Marshallese descendants in Arkansas than there are still on the Marshall Islands.

[0:43:18] OW: Yes.

[0:43:19] GM: Yeah. It's crazy. Yeah.

[0:43:21] OW: I want to do some storytelling, and this is all still in the works, right? I want to do some storytelling elements, starting with the Marshallese that who have recently come over due to rising sea levels. Then we're going to build this map out on the website – the Northeast Maritime Institute hosted, but it's a bigger think tank that's part of them, right? From there, I want to make it to where other people can upload from all over the world.

[0:43:53] KM: Oh, I got you.

[0:43:55] OW: I want to start local and then show how this is working on a global scale.

[0:44:00] KM: let other documentarians put their – or ethnographics people put their stories attached to your map that you're going to be going around.

[0:44:08] OW: Yes.

[0:44:08] KM: That's really cool.

[0:44:09] OW: I want to make it to where anybody could upload, right? For example, on the Solomon Islands, where I am right now, there are people dealing with us on a daily basis. People are having to relocate. Or some people are coming and they're taking rocks off the reef and building new islands to build houses on, because they've lost their homes. I want to make it to very easy for somebody to upload, regardless of where you are, right? It's going to be a very easy format, and then it'll automatically go to certain points on the map, where they are.

[0:44:43] KM: You, I read somewhere that Netflix is going to put – the man that does is going to put – maybe it's not Netflix, but the gentleman that you're working with is going to put cameras all over your boat.

[0:44:52] OW: Yes. He is not with Netflix, but he has had all of his stuff released on Netflix.

[0:44:57] KM: Oh, I see.

[0:44:59] OW: He figured out how to rig something – rig cameras for extreme conditions. Meaning, like he was filming SpaceX launches. Now he just rigged a rower who is going from the North Pacific to the South Pacific. He contacted me, or we have a mutual friend and he was like, “I want to rig your boat.” We put 15 cameras all over that can be turned on with the click of the button. It's really hard for me to film myself when stuff is hitting the fan. This is just going to make it very easy, and I can get –

[0:45:30] KM: Exciting. All right, this is our last break. Coming right back, I'm going to tell you how you can get in touch with Olivia and stay with her. She is a sailor, Captain Olivia Wyatt. She is honing her skills and trying to save money and make preparations for her 2026 Golden Globe Race around the world, at which time she sells non-stop solo using 1968 technology to bring awareness to our sinking seas and give encouragement to young women and sailors of all gender. We'll be right back to give you all the information about how you can follow her and remind you of where you can give.

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[0:46:51] KM: We're speaking today with the beautiful and daring, Olivia Wyatt, who was born in Landlock, Little Rock, Arkansas, but has fallen in love with the sea and sailing. She has sailed solo for 23 days from California to Hawaii and has made three feature-length films about the places she has been and the indigenous people she's met. I highly recommend Captain Olivia's YouTube channel, Wilderness of Waves?

[0:47:10] OW: Wilderness of Waves.

[0:47:12] KM: Wilderness of Waves, or her Instagram for your viewing pleasure. They're all called Wilderness of Waves. It's beautiful. She's got a rainbow. What is that? A kaleidoscope on the roof of your boat, so she has these rainbow patterns all around. I highly recommend you go and look at her YouTube channel. It's visually charming and fun, and she takes you on a tour of her boat, which is really interesting.

You said, Olivia, “I'm racing to raise awareness about indigenous communities whose homes are in jeopardy due to rising sea levels. I love the sea, because she keeps me wide-eyed, honeycombed and wild, and I'm excited to be a part of the 2026 Golden Globe Race.” It's really actually odd how petite and cute and charming and what a badass you are all at the same time. It's really an oxymoron looking at you.

[0:48:02] GM: Yeah. A walking paradox.

[0:48:03] OW: Well, I think that's one thing I always try to show my weaknesses, or my vulnerability, to show that anybody can do this, right? I mean, if I can do this, you can do it. That's the big thing I say.

[0:48:15] KM: It's very encouraging. It really encouraged me to watch what all you've done with your little young, petite self-doing all these brave things. I thought, come on. Get up off the couch. Do something.

[0:48:31] OW: I just want people to go, chase after their dreams. I mean, you can make any dream a reality. I believe it.

[0:48:38] KM: You are. Let's tell our listeners. You can follow Olivia, again, and find more information at the links at wildernessofwaves.com, wildernessofwaves.com, Golden Globe 2026. Her Instagram, @wildernessofwaves. On the Golden Globe 2026, is that where they donate and give money?

[0:48:58] OW: Through Wilderness of Waves, I have it set up for PayPal, or Venmo, or if somebody wants to come on in a bigger way, wants to put stickers on the boat, then just reach out to me directly and we can iron everything out.

[0:49:11] KM: Would you change Juniper's name?

[0:49:12] OW: I would. For a sponsor?

[0:49:14] KM: You would. Then when it was over, you put her back her name? Who named her Juniper?

[0:49:19] OW: I did.

[0:49:20] KM: What was her original name?

[0:49:21] OW: Her original name was Lorac, which is Carol backwards, L-O-R-A-C. It literally was Carol backwards.

[0:49:28] GM: What is the point?

[0:49:28] OW: Yes.

[0:49:29] KM: Is that her boyfriend?

[0:49:30] OW: That was the ghost’s wife.

[0:49:33] KM: Wife. I meant, girlfriend.

[0:49:34] OW: Yeah, it was Carol. Yeah.

[0:49:37] KM: What do you say with people naming their children backwards? Okay, I've just got to tell this really off the subject. I have a girlfriend named Dlorah, D-L-O-R-A-H. It has her father's name, Harold backwards.

[0:49:51] GM: Isn’t that just hilarious?

[0:49:52] OW: I like that. Dlorah.

[0:49:54] KM: Her mother's name was Neil, and so they named her Lien, and spelled it Neil backwards. She's her mother and her father's name backwards. My father always called her backward Harold.

[0:50:08] OW: Backward Harold.

[0:50:09] GM: I'm glad you changed your boat's name.

[0:50:12] KM: Yeah. Okay, so we want to give you something from Arkansas. We have a 12 by 18-inch boat flag for your boat.

[0:50:19] OW: Oh, yay.

[0:50:20] KM: It's a U.S. flag. I don't know if you want to fly that some of the places you go, and an Arkansas flag.

[0:50:24] OW: Yay.

[0:50:24] KM: That's your Arkansas boat flag.

[0:50:26] OW: Yay.

[0:50:27] KM: And they are boat ready.

[0:50:30] OW: Awesome. I'm so excited. Yes, I am an American flag vessel for this race, so I'll be flying the American flag. Hopefully, they'll let me put the Arkansas state flag on it.

[0:50:39] GM: That'd be fun. We will represent.

[0:50:40] KM: If not, you can do it later. Yeah. I've really enjoyed meeting with you and talking with you so much. You are such an inspiration.

[0:50:47] OW: Oh, thank you for having me.

[0:50:49] KM: Oh, thank you. Good luck to you in all that you're about to do. It’s so exciting. We're going to all follow you. Arkansas Flag and Banner is going to give you some money on the website. We are really excited about you doing this. I can't believe you're from Little Rock, Arkansas, landlocked, and you're a seafarer like you are. Thank you again, Olivia. Good luck again.

[0:51:05] OW: Thank you.

[0:51:05] KM: God bless you, child. I guess, you're no child.

[0:51:08] OW: I'm 41.

[0:51:10] KM: No way.

[0:51:11] OW: When he asked, I was like, “I'm 31.” I get myself a decade less.

[0:51:19] KM: You don't. You have the spirit of a 31-year-old.

[0:51:24] OW: My friend was like, “Olivia, I can't figure out how old you are, because you act so young, but you look –” I was like, “Don't you say that.” He was going to say, “You look so old.” I was like, “I'm offended.”

[0:51:34] KM: You don't even look like you stay in the sun very much.

[0:51:36] OW: Really?

[0:51:37] KM: You live on a boat, but you do not look like it.

[0:51:38] GM: I imagine that’s like a ritual to sun protection when you're out on a boat.

[0:51:42] OW: Yes. Got to put a lot of sunscreen on.

[0:51:45] KM: You don't even look like you are wind-weathered from being out there all the time.

[0:51:48] OW: Well, I mean, I've been in Arkansas for a month now, so I’m –

[0:51:51] KM: It doesn't matter. You still don't look like you live on the ocean.

[0:51:53] OW: Casper.

[0:51:57] KM: This show was recorded in the hollow walls of the Taborian Hall in Little Rock, Arkansas, and made possible by the good works of flagandbanner.com, our audio engineer and local celeb, Mr. Tom Wood, summa cum laude videographer, Mr. Jonathan Hankins, production manager, my daughter, Ms. Megan Pittman, and my co-host, Mr. Gray McCoy IV, A.K.A. Son Gray.

Thank you for spending time with us. We hope you've heard or learned something that's been inspiring or enlightening, and that it, whatever it is, will help you up your business, your independence, or your life. I'm Kerry McCoy and I'll see you next time on Up in Your Business. Until then, be brave and keep it up.

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[0:52:34] GM: You've been listening to Up in Your Business with Kerry McCoy. For links to resources you heard discussed on today's show, go to flagandbanner.com, select radio show, and choose today's guest. If you'd like to sponsor this show or any show, contact me, Gray. That's G-R-A-Y@flagandbanner.com. All interviews are recorded and posted the following week. Stay informed of exciting upcoming guests by subscribing to our YouTube channel, or podcast wherever you like to listen. Kerry's goal is simple, to help you live the American dream.

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