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Bob Robbins

Bob Robbins has been a fixture of Arkansas radio since 1967, when he began working for KAAY in Little Rock and in 1979 moved to KSSN 96 FM. He stayed with KSSN until the end of 2013 when he left to go to sister station The Wolf 105.1. During that time, he was named Broadcast Personality of the Year by the Country Music Association, the people behind the CMT Awards.

Bob lost his father to cancer when he was just one month old and his mother when he was ten. He and his siblings were split up and Robbins was adopted by an air force officer family. He grew up on air bases around the south and eventually in Morocco where he landed his first radio job. He was only fourteen when he began in radio before a tour in the U.S. Navy. After his discharge he spent time working at other jobs including making windows for mobile homes.

In 1982, Robbins was the victim of a brutal attack orchestrated by a man who was angry with Robbins for leaving his side DJ job at Troutt’s Kountry Klub owned by Bob Troutt to form BJ’s Star-Studded Honky Tonk with business partners Bill McArthur and James Nelson. Trout had hired men to attack Robbins “to either kill or make it so he could not speak again.” The men were arrested and convicted.

Robbins has also been featured on local television on his show, Bob Robbins Outdoors, a half-hour hunting and fishing show that began airing in 2004. He has also appeared in dozens of commercials.

Listen to the podcast to learn:

  • Bob tells of the assault trial and the conviction of the man who tried to kill him
  • How to turn anger into forgiveness
  • How radio has changed | Radio has gone corporate

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[0:00:08.8] CC: Welcome to Up in Your Business with Kerry McCoy, a production of flagandbanner.com. Through storytelling and conversational interviews, this weekly radio show offers listeners first-hand insight into starting and running a business, the ups and downs of risk-taking and the commonalities of successful people. Connect with Kerry through her candid, often funny and informative weekly blog where you'll read and may comment on life as a wife, mother, daughter and entrepreneur.

Now, it's time for Kerry McCoy to get all up in your business.


[0:00:42.4] KM: Thank you, Chris. Like Chris said, I’m Kerry McCoy. Oh, thank you Bob. That’s my guest today. I usually do that for them, but he’s doing it for me.

[0:00:49.6] BR: I would dance, but I can’t.

[0:00:51.7] KM: I bet you have that rug a few times.

[0:00:53.6] BR: Yes.

[0:00:54.6] KM: You just heard from my co-host, Chris.

[0:00:57.2] CC: Hello.

[0:00:58.5] KM: I want to say we also got another person here with us today who’s going to make this show happen and it's Jason Malik from Arise Studios in Conway, Arkansas. If you're sitting at your computer right now, you might want to watch us live on flagandbanner.com’s Facebook page. I’ve put the dot-com on the Facebook account, flagandbanner.com’s Facebook page. It's fun to see what goes on behind the scenes and as always, a lot is going on today. If for some reason you miss any part of today's show, or want to hear it again, there's a way and Chris will tell you how.

[0:01:32.0] CC: Listen to all UIYB past and present interviews by going to flagandbanner.com and clicking on Radio Show. Also, by joining our e-mail list or liking us on Facebook, you'll get a reminder notification the day of the show with a sneak peek of that day's guest. Back to you Kerry.

[0:01:50.8] KM: Thank you, Chris. This show Up In your Business with Kerry McCoy began as a platform for me, a small business owner and a guest to pay forward our experiential knowledge in a conversational way. Originally, my team and I thought it would appeal to entrepreneurs and want to be entrepreneurs, but it seems to have a wider audience, because after all, who isn't inspired by everyday people's American-made stories?

It's no secret that successful people work hard, but another common trait is underneath their exterior is the heart of a teacher. They're good at communicating and paying forward their knowledge. Another discovery I find interesting is that most of my guests have a spiritual bit. They leaving a higher power, that's enabling them to be risk-takers. Last, this next discovery really caught me by surprise, and it actually makes me feel good about myself, that business in of itself is creative.

My guest today is all of the above. It is Mr. Bob Robbins. Yes, he needs no introduction, because he's a DJ legend in Little Rock, Arkansas. For 51 years, this man has come into our homes and automobiles as the friendly on-air personality Bob Robbins. 23 of those years was on the country music station KSSN, and today he has followed his classic country music passion to The Wolf, home of country legends, which he fits in perfectly with.

Bob's compassion for people is palpable and maybe rooted by his own experiences. His early life was not an easy one. Orphaned at the age of 10, separated from his siblings and adopted by a family with an air force career, he moved a lot. At the age of 14 while living in Morocco, that's in North Africa, he landed his first radio gig and was hooked. You all, that's the age 14.

Once out of school, he joined the Navy. It wasn't until 1967 when Bob heard about a job opening on KAAY in Little Rock, Arkansas that he moved and began his illustrious career here in the state, the land of opportunity Arkansas. While still DJing for KSSN, by day Bob and his partners Bill McArthur and James Nelson decided to take advantage of the new country craze sweeping America and opened a venue in southwest Little Rock on I30 that could rival the urban cowboy Club in Dallas, Texas, or I think it was Houston, Texas. They called this new business BJ's Star-Studded Honky Tonk.

In 1982 this decision proved almost to be Bob Robbins undoing. Competitor, another Bob, Mr. Bob Trout owner of the Country Club where Bob Robbins had once worked became incensed at the new competition in town and hired a hitman to put an end to Bob Robbins and the BJ Honky Tonk by hiring a hitman to either kill him, or make it so he would never talk again. Bob survived and the rest of the story is what books are made of.

It is a pleasure to welcome to the table a man named broadcast personality of the year by the Country Music Association, the people behind the CMT Awards, the legendary DJ Mr. Bob Robbins.

[0:04:58.1] BR: Thank you, Kerry.

[0:04:59.2] KM: Can you believe that's all you?

[0:05:01.3] BR: Well, I'm honored. I really am. First of all though, I want to brag on you is a gift to become a friend with you, with Arkansas Flag and Banner and the many things that you do and have done and continue to do for this community. Thank you.

[0:05:17.7] KM: You’re welcome. I’ve enjoyed. I’ll just tell everybody, every Fri – every 4th and – let me get this straight. Every Flag Day, we hand out flags together on the iHeart parking lot to passerbyers.

[0:05:30.0] BR: Any other time we need them, we holler, “Kerry.” Bless her heart, she’s always there. Are you sure? Chris I turned you down, the job?

[0:05:39.2] CC: Well, you know.

[0:05:39.9] BR: What?

[0:05:40.4] CC: You didn’t turn me down.

[0:05:41.2] BR: You can watch it. Okay.

[0:05:42.1] KM: He’s good with me.

[0:05:43.8] BR: Very. I was fading out loud about that.

[0:05:44.7] KM: Let’s tell the listeners, before we came on the show, I was – Chris told me that he once applied for a job where Bob Robbins worked and said, “I didn't get hired,” so I was giving Bob a hard time about not hiring Chris.

[0:05:55.0] CC: Well, but he – I don't think he had the final say. I just applied for it and –

[0:06:01.4] BR: I’m hidden.

[0:06:03.4] KM: He was just a worker bee like everybody else.

[0:06:05.2] BR: That’s right. That’s right.

[0:06:06.7] KM: I started to say you were the one and the only Bob Robbins, but that is actually not true. Tell everybody about how you got that name.

[0:06:14.4] BR: Well, the way I actually got the name when we moved from Georgia to Little Rock to KAAY, they wanted me to take a name of a person that had been killed in a accident and I – I'm a little superstitious and didn't want to do that and everybody that I spoke with just spoke really high of this man and really liked him a lot. With Wayne Moss and Pat Walsh, who was Pat was the general manager and Wayne was the program director and in those days, those guys really did as they said, program director programmed and the manager managed.

Anyway, we had a discussion about the name, my legal name they didn't want me to use. Part of my legal name is Bob. We sat around and talked and they threw this back and that back. Finally Wayne said, “Well, your your real name is Bob and we had a Robbins and he's been gone for a while. Why don't we just name you Bob Robbins?” Well as it turned out, the fella that was killed also, his heir name was Robbins. I said, “That'll be okay.” At least I'm not called his full name. That's how Bob Robbins began.

[0:07:34.3] KM: I don't think anybody would ever know you use anything else. You answer to that pretty darn good.

[0:07:37.8] BR: Well, it's funny you say that. I very, very seldom really answered on my real name.

[0:07:46.4] KM: That you feel like you anymore.

[0:07:47.1] BR: Bob Robbins is my real name.

[0:07:48.4] KM: 51 years it's been your real name. You were born in Florida, your father died when you were how old?

[0:07:53.5] BR: Dad died when I – he died June and I was born in May. I was just pinched over a month. He was a busy man in his life and had several children and I was the baby of 13.

[0:08:10.2] KM: He was older.

[0:08:11.6] BR: Not real though. Doctor said he just stayed busy. Anyway, my mama she of course, took over and kept us all together and we moved to a little place in Alabama and she remarried. I had a stepfather and we were farmers. Farmed a sharecroppers on a piece of land that was owned by the druggist, and that's how we survived until I was 10-years-old.

When I turned 10, my mother died and that was a tough time. No matter how old I get, when I talk about that, it's still tough. I was 10 and my mother passed away from a cerebral hemorrhage and it was on Christmas Eve. We went along there for just a little while after the funeral and all that and I was – some people came out and talked to me from, I don't remember the agency, but anyway, they came out and talked to us and my brother and I, his name was Ben, and talked to us about maybe moving and becoming someone else's children in the form an adoption.

My brother was not much for that. Of course, I was 10 and I, “Heck, yeah. I’ll listen.” Well, to be honest with you, very few people know this, my adopted dad is my oldest brother. That's how that all came to be. We had to be adopted, because he was in the Air Force, and if he were to be transferred anywhere overseas, we wouldn't have been able to go, unless we were adopted.

Anyway, we went through all of that and Ben and I were adopted, and Ben ended up joining the army. Of course, I stayed and went on to school and sure enough, we were – I transferred to Shreveport, Louisiana to Barksdale Air Force Base and a couple of other places. I guess, by that time I was up about 14. Can't really remember those years, but anyway, got in a fight one day at school. The fight turned out to be with the base commander's son.

We got a little bit of the pushing soft and the promise to meet on the corner of his yard and finish it. We did and I looked up and won the fight. About month and a half, two months later, we were on the airplane going to

[inaudible 0:11:23.8] Morocco doing some Air Force Base.

[0:11:26.5] KM: Africa.

[0:11:27.5] BR: Yeah, yeah. I'll never forget my dad looking over. We were in the air and he leaned out and he said, “You right in this trip has anything to do with that bloody nose you gave that more?” I said, “I hope so.” Anyway, we had a wonderful time. That was a time in my life where things I could start seeing things and hearing things and talk to people and learn things that I never dreamt that I'd be able to do. It was the beginning of a very fun time in my life.

[0:12:02.2] KM: How long did you live in Africa?

[0:12:04.7] BR: We were there. My dad was stationed there for three years, which he had been there once before to a base Ben Guerir Air Force Base. I guess, we were there three years a little better.

[0:12:19.3] KM: Was Ben with you?

[0:12:20.5] BR: No. Ben was in the Army. Ben went in the army and then became a trooper.

[0:12:27.2] KM: Is he a lot older than you?

[0:12:28.9] BR: No. Ben's about four and a half years older. He was killed in Southeast Asia in 1968.

[0:12:39.1] KM: If you were 10 when your mother died and you were adopted around 10, Ben would have been 14?

[0:12:44.5] BR: He was 14 when we were adopted.

[0:12:45.7] KM: He can go – did he –

[0:12:47.4] BR: No. At that time, he was with us.

[0:12:49.9] KM: He did stay with you.

[0:12:50.7] BR: Right. When he finished his school, that's when he joined the army. That process of his life began then. I get ahead of myself. I don't remember it years too good, but –

[0:13:02.8] KM: You've got a job on the radio and while you were in Africa.

[0:13:08.0] BR: Yes. There was a man named Sergeant Bill Miller, one of the neatest guys I've ever known in my life. Bill had the voice of the Lord. He just had a beautiful male’s voice deep. In those days on radio, a lot of people did. Bill's favorite music was jazz. He loved jazz music. One day, we were talking. I can't even remember though, we did a teenage show or something on there and he said, “Bob, you like to do that.” We auditioned, he snickered and I got the job. Of course, there was no pay in it just you understand.

Then when we did start talking about part time, Bill laughed and he said, “Well, you're too country. Your voice is too country, but I'm going to use you.” I said, “Okay.” Bbill gave me the break in radio that I thought would never come.

[0:14:11.7] KM: How long did you do that?

[0:14:14.8] BR: A couple of years. Then we transferred back to the States.

[0:14:20.0] KM: Then you joined the Navy. Well, I went on to school and then I joined the Navy in Albany, Georgia. That's where they sent dad back to the Air Force Base there in Albany. That's where when I got out of school, I went on in the Navy and –

[0:14:38.5] KM: When did you get out of the Navy? How old were you?

[0:14:43.6] BR: When I got out, I was bumping 19.

[0:14:46.9] KM: What a life from 1 to 19 all of that happened. He lived a full life from 1 to 19. This is a great place to take a break. When we come back, we'll continue our conversation with Little Rock, Arkansas legendary DJ Mr. Bob Robbins. We’ll talk about his career in radio, the celebrities he’s met, the urban cowboy disco era and his near-death experience when a hitman was hired to put an end to Bob and his business called BJ Star Studded Honky Tonk. We'll be right back after the break.


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[0:15:49.4] CC: You're listening to Up In Your Business with Kerry McCoy, a production of flagandbanner.com. Over 40 years ago with only $400, Kerry McCoy founded Arkansas Flag and Banner. During the last four decades, the business has grown and changed, starting with door-to-door sales, then telemarketing, to mail order and catalog sales, and now a third of their sales come through the internet. This past year, Flag and Banner added another internet feature, live chatting. Over time, Kerry’s business and leadership knowledge grew. As early as 2004, she began sharing her knowledge in her weekly blog. Then in 2009, she founded the nonprofit Friends of Dreamland Ballroom, and in 2014, Brave Magazine, who’s next publication is slated for October 2018 was launched. Today, she has branched out into radio with this very production, podcast and live stream on Facebook.

Each week on this show, you'll hear candid conversations between her and her guests about real-world experiences on a variety of businesses and topics that we hope you'll find interesting and inspiring. If you'd like to ask Kerry a question, or share your story, send an e-mail to questions@upyourbusiness.org. That's questions@upyourbusiness.org, or send her a message on flagandbanner.com’s Facebook page.


[0:17:19.0] KM: Thank you, Chris. You're listening to Up In your Business with me, Kerry McCoy. I'm speaking today with the illustrious Mr. Bob Robbins, DJ and host of the Little Rock, Arkansas Morning Show on The Wolf 105.5 FM. Happily called home of country legends, where he is a perfect fit. I went to see a speaker last night, you know what he said? He said that if you want to know a person's heart, then hear what breaks their heart. Ain’t that good?

[0:17:46.3] BR: It’s very good and the truth.

[0:17:48.6] KM: Very truthful. Before the break, we did talk about what breaks your heart, your whole life as a child and how much you grew from age 1 to 19 and all the things that happened to you that turned you into the man you were. By the time you were 19, I would say you were a full-blown man, but you moved to Little Rock sometime. How did you learn about that disc jockey opening in Little Rock and get here?

[0:18:11.8] BR: When I got out of the Navy, I got a job in Albany with a radio station WLYB. David Flagel was the man that owned the station and one heck of a nice man. That's where I've been blessed in my whole career is that I had been touched and been able to be with people and management that knew what they were doing and that were good, honest these people, that helped me more than anything, to be honest with you. Anyway, David hired me and for you didn't make a lot of money in those days in radio, not that you do now.

[0:18:47.3] KM: Yeah, I was about to say that.

[0:18:49.1] BR: Absolutely. Anyway, I was fortunate enough to stay there a while and then a job opening in another little town and they called and I auditioned and I got the job. At that time, I worked at several small stations trying to build a reputation and a little name. I ended up finally on a station in Americus Georgia. Stayed there for quite a while and Conway – not Conway. Wait yes, now it was Conway. Conway Smith bought the radio station from a guy named Charlie Smith that I loved very much, that was the manager.

Anyway, I worked there for him for a while and I got a call one morning from Wayne Moss and Wayne was the program director at KAAY here in Little Rock and he had offered me a job a time or two and I'd always turn it down and not be able to move at that time. That particular morning I said yes, I'll take the job.

[0:20:01.0] KM: How come?

[0:20:03.3] BR: Being silly.

[0:20:04.3] KM: Just in the mood. Okay.

[0:20:05.3] BR: When he said, “Bob, are you serious?” I said, “Yeah.” You go back, I was married to a lady named Wanda and it was one of those deals where everybody has some and you think, “Well, the grass is greener on the other side.” I had a small son named Ben. He was the first beat.

[0:20:31.8] KM: The first what?

[0:20:32.4] BR: The first beat of my heart. I saw it in early life, as part of that life that things were going to have to change. Anyway, I took the job in Little Rock and they came and we moved in to KAAY and I started having so much fun.

[0:20:51.0] KM: Loved it.

[0:20:51.9] BR: I really did. It was so many grades up from the things that I had been doing and of course, we were doing remotes and going out on personal appearances and getting paid $40 to go do this when extra money. Just a lot of things that were happening that had never happened before and I saw some of the opportunities that were there. If you wanted to work, it was available. If you wanted to work and have fun and all, you could do good. We started that way and –

[0:21:29.5] KM: How long did you work there?

[0:21:30.8] BR: At KAAY?

[0:21:31.6] KM: Uh-huh.

[0:21:33.9] BR: Gosh. Eight, nine years. Quite a while.

[0:21:36.0] KM: Why'd you move to KSSN if you were having so much fun?

[0:21:38.4] BR: Well, we were having fun, but the station was owned by a company out of Georgia. Well actually, they were owned by a company out of Pennsylvania or something.

[0:21:48.0] KM: It was AM, wasn't it?

[0:21:49.1] BR: Yeah, yeah. They were bought by a company out of Georgia. Anyway, we ended up not agreeing with each other and they said, “Well Bob, that door is right there.” I said, “Okay, I understand.” “You see what's on my back end?” I said, “Yeah. We’re kissing while I’m going out.”

[0:22:08.8] KM: That is so Bob Robbins.

[0:22:10.2] BR: That was not a happy ending. Anyway, it all worked out. Everything has –

[0:22:16.5] KM: You didn’t have a job when you left KAAY?

[0:22:18.2] BR: No. More than that, I got fired, I didn't.

[0:22:22.1] KM: How long was it before you got another job at KSSN?

[0:22:24.9] BR: Well, I didn't get it. Oh, at KSSN. KSSN wasn't even on air then.

[0:22:27.5] KM: Oh, so what did you do? Sold mobile homes.

[0:22:29.9] BR: I went fishing.

[0:22:30.5] KM: Oh, you went fishing.

[0:22:31.9] BR: Yeah. When I got home, I had – I don't remember, two or three messages and I called one of those messages and it was a friend of mine over at KARN. Mr. Snyder was out of town and they hired me. I worked there, I don't remember, two or three years and enjoyed that a lot. That's when KSSN moved in to town. When I heard about the possibilities of KSSN coming in to Little Rock, I really got excited, because that was the programming that I had always thought about and dreamed about and here it is almost a reality. Kirby Confer is one of the original owners of KSSN, and he made contact with me and – Anyway.

[0:23:28.7] KM: Yeah. We went from AM radio to FM radio around that same time.

[0:23:32.2] BR: Right. Well, the FM radio, that's when the FM radio started making its move with people. People would say, “What do you think about that? That stereo going to work, or is that going up then?”

[0:23:43.3] KM: It’s like satellite radio now.

[0:23:44.9] BR: It is. Satellites, building all the difference with satellites, you pay for it. Of course, those days you did – then even now, you don't pay for the FM –

[0:23:54.3] KM: People worried satellite radio was going to take over FM radio, but there's always a niche for FM.

[0:23:58.9] BR: It seems like radios – all aspects of radio – I'll worry about where it's going and the things that we're doing, but radio will always be here.

[0:24:12.4] KM: You worry about it, because it's losing its personality and moving towards corporate, or why do you worry about it?

[0:24:18.1] BR: Well, there's lots of changes that always happen and changes are going to happen. Some of them I don't agree with, some I do, but that's just like politics or anything else.

[0:24:28.9] KM: There used to be a lot of small radio stations. Then now they've all consolidated into three major ones, is that about it?

[0:24:34.3] BR: Exactly.

[0:24:35.3] KM: How many?

[0:24:35.6] BR: Or they’re coming in companies and I think that's even taking the turn now and go on another way, but things move fast now. The equipment changes, move fast now. I love radio still, but in my situation, it won’t be that long before I say, “Hey, let's go fishing every day.” I’ve got so many friends that are coming up in this business that I want them to be able to see how much fun radio really can be and how much fun you can have and the talent and stuff that you can meet in this business and I’m afraid they never will be able to.

[0:25:16.1] KM: This station that we’re on KABF, I think it harkens back to those times.

[0:25:19.8] BR: They do.

[0:25:20.9] KM: It's a wonderful public radio station here that people need to donate to.

[0:25:23.9] BR: Well, it's a needed facility in our town, or any town. They get programming here they don't get anywhere else. That's another thing. When I was first starting in radio, what was what we call block programming, which meant you might play an hour worth of gospel music and then you might go and play an hour and a half, two hours’ worth of country music, then you might have a three-hour pop show in the afternoon. You broke your clock down and did what we call block radio. It was very successful.

[0:25:57.8] KM: Well, you also did a outdoor, Bob Robbins outdoor. Didn't you do TV for a while?

[0:26:02.8] BR: Yeah, we did. We were really liked –

[0:26:04.3] KM: Did you like that?

[0:26:04.9] BR: I loved it.

[0:26:05.5] KM: You like doing TV?

[0:26:07.3] BR: Well, I loved working with the people that I got to work with.

[0:26:10.5] KM: What happened to it? Just ran its course?

[0:26:15.2] BR: Yeah. We had to pay for that and I mentioned to you and I'm getting ahead of myself, but I mentioned I had a wife named Wanda. Of course, Wanda and I are still dear friends and visit with each other, but in the processes of these 42 years past, I met the love of my life and then of course, she's been it ever since. That's Susan.

Anyway, Susan and I talked about this TV endeavor. She said, “Bob, I don't care what you do, but don't come to the bank,” meaning her, saying, “You need money to pay for this show, because we don't have it.” I said, “Okay.” That was a streak. As long as the show paid for it, we’re off –

[0:27:11.4] KM: It was your idea? It was your idea to start this TV show?

[0:27:14.7] BR: Oh, yeah. Was it on –

[0:27:18.5] BR: On channel 4.

[0:27:18.9] KM: On channel 4. It was your idea to start this Bob Robbins outdoor.

[0:27:22.0] BR: Yeah, I went to channel 4 and we sat out and –

[0:27:23.9] KM: Pitched it.

[0:27:25.0] BR: Pitched it to him and talked to him and Tom and Brandon and Dave. A lot of people over there, they liked the idea and we put it together.

[0:27:34.0] KM: How long did it run?

[0:27:35.7] BR: Quite a while. I can’t really remember how many.

[0:27:38.7] KM: It wasn't profitable enough to keep doing?

[0:27:40.4] BR: Yeah, we did real well with it, but then when the bottom fell out of everything.

[0:27:45.5] KM: When? What year would that be? 2008 or before that?

[0:27:49.3] BR: Yeah, that last –

[0:27:51.3] KM: 2008, the banking crisis?

[0:27:52.5] BR: Yeah. Money got tight with everybody. Anyway, I just felt – but in the meantime, Joe Cates, friend of mine that I work with it at the station, he became a salesman for me and he and I carried the show. He did the selling and I did the broadcasting, putting it together and all. Omar, you see over at Channel four. I love that man. He was my –

[0:28:21.2] KM: He loved lots of people.

[0:28:22.3] BR: Now this guy was – every week, he made a show look good.

[0:28:26.6] KM: Makes you look good. Yeah. No wonder you love him.

[0:28:28.3] BR: With what he had to work with, you know what I mean? He still works at channel 4, I believe. H0e's been there forever and ever and just a great human being. Anyway, that was a time for me to say, “Now well, let’s think about it.”

[0:28:44.5] KM: Time was right to clear.

[0:28:45.8] BR: Right.

[0:28:47.0] KM: Well, you’re a hard-working man. You're on the radio all morning, and then you do TV commercial, then you do shoot a commercial. I mean, shoot a TV spot on the weekends, I guess. I don't know when you find time to do all that. This is a great place to take a break. When we come back, we'll continue our conversation with Little Rock, Arkansas’s legendary DJ Mr. Bob Robbins. In this next segment, we'll get the inside scoop on the assault, trial and conviction of the hitmen that almost killed him and how he graciously forgave one of them. We'll talk about Bob's entrepreneurial insight, when he capitalized on the urban cowboy disco craze of the 80s and opened BJ's Star Studded Honky Tonk, with partner Bill McArthur, whose wife was tragically murdered around the same time Bob was attacked. The McArthur cake was and still is the most meticulously documented homicide in the history of Little Rock Police Department.

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[0:32:33.5] KM: Thank you, Chris. Don’t he have a great voice?

[0:32:35.1] BR: He does.

[0:32:36.0] KM: I know.

[0:32:37.6] BR: They don’t need bottles when he reads.

[0:32:39.9] KM: Well, it’s been a few – now how times have you done the show with me?

[0:32:43.5] CC: Five, I think.

[0:32:44.4] KM: Yeah. He’s practiced five times.

[0:32:45.6] BR: They wouldn’t matter if I’d done it 25, I’d still be tripping.

[0:32:48.7] KM: No, you wouldn’t. You’re listening to Up In your Business with me, Kerry McCoy. I’m speaking today with the legendary Mr. Bob Robbins, DJ and host of Little Arkansas morning show on The Wolf 105.5 FM, aptly name home of country legends, where he is a perfect fit. If you’ve got questions, make a comment on flagandbannercom’s Facebook page, or write this number down and call.

[0:33:09.0] CC: That would be 501-433-0088.

[0:33:13.0] KM: Give it again, Chris.

[0:33:14.2] CC: 501-433-0088.

[0:33:17.7] KM: If you’re shy, you can just creep on my weekly blog about life as a small business owner at flagandbanner.com, or as I said earlier, listen to our podcast. I want to take this opportunity to give a big shout out and thank you to Centennial Bank for partnering with the Friends of Dreamland Ballroom and sponsoring this year's Dancing Into Dreamland, which is Friday November the 2nd. It's turning out to maybe be our first sold-out event.

[0:33:40.7] BR: That's more people that are mighty nice, Centennial Bank.

[0:33:43.1] KM: Oh, they are aren’t they?

[0:33:44.1] BR: Yes, they are.

[0:33:44.2] KM: They are good people. They have really been good to Arkansas Flag and Banner, I'll tell you that. They've been a partner of mine for a long, long time.

[0:33:50.9] BR: I've been blessed to do some work with and for them and I'm telling you, they are out of this world kind and good people.

[0:33:58.2] KM: During the first segment of this show, we talked about your life growing up. You've had a hard life. You lived a whole life till you're 19. During the second part, we talked about your career as a radio personality in Little Rock and another whole life you lived in those doing that. Now we want to talk about your stint as an entrepreneur. You took advantage of the urban cowboy craze that was going on, the disco craze and opened up BJ’s Star Studded Honky Tonk on I30 in Southwest Little Rock and it was a huge success. You opened at in 1981, but it was in 19 – with the partners, like I said, Bill McArthur and James Nelson. When you opened it, you left the country cowboy.

[0:34:46.6] BR: Country club, right.

[0:34:47.6] KM: Country club on Roosevelt and opened up your own place with your two partners and it made Bob Trout mad, and he hired – is that right?

[0:34:58.9] BR: Yeah.

[0:35:00.1] KM: Okay. He heard a hitman.

[0:35:01.5] BR: He got some feathers flying, I’ll tell you it did.

[0:35:06.4] KM: He hired a hitman to take you out. Tell us how that happened.

[0:35:11.0] BR: Well, first of all in my whole life, I have loved country music in top 40 music. I realized when I was going into country that that's what I wanted more than anything that I'd ever done in my life. Like I told you earlier, I saw the possibilities of what could be done with country music. At that time, I didn't think of nightclubs, but it didn't take long and I got to thinking of those things. My eyes were like mama used to tell me when you put too many taters on the plate, your eye are bigger than your stomach, and you’d have stuff left over.

Well I was that way. I didn't had the money to open these clubs and do the things that I wanted to do. I went to doing some nightclub work. One of the sweetest friends I've ever had, Don Thomas who owned the place called One-Eyed Jack, and I started working for him and doing some disco and just having a blast. Being the guy that Don was, he was like a brother, but he was also a person that would be there to help you. What do we need to go out and play these dances? What do we need to make money? How much should we charge? We put all these together and on a shoestring and a prayer, we started getting stuff together.

I say we, it was Don that got it together and he would let me use that equipment and of course, we started doing these dances and having so much fun all around the state. When I went into the country part with KSSN and it wasn't long. I'm trying to remember years, so if that long, Urban Cowboy broke loose.

[0:37:05.6] KM: The movie.

[0:37:06.0] BR: Right. That was with Mickey Gilley. In my life, that's what I always was. I love hats. I love boots. I love jeans. I love Western clothes with the pearl snaps and pretty drawings on them, or whatever, just Western. That was what I was. People used to say that you play country and western. Yeah, I did play country and Western. Two different things, but it all goes together.

Anyway, when we got BJ's going, it just happened. Bill and James approached me one night and we began talking about going into business with a nightclub that Arkansas had never seen the likes of before. We shared our views on things that we would like to have done, or would like to see done and deck of work, etc., etc. I remember telling them, “Boys, all I care about, we got to have a big dance floor. We don't want it real fancy, but we want it clean, we want it nice, but we don't need chiffon stuff on table for tablecloths.”

[0:38:30.0] KM: Strobe light.

[0:38:31.9] BR: Yeah. If we're lucky, we can get some – what do they call? Linoleum tablecloths. Anyway, that's how BJ's was born. The ladies, the wives of all of us talked about it and we put the dream together and tied for working. Lucky enough, we got a permit and away we went.

[0:38:55.9] KM: Boy, you really went away too. Man, it was huge success.

[0:38:58.5] BR: No one want to do, but just going on the way that things that we loved. We had a horse bucking painted on the wall. Well, I love the rodeos. I love to go and I love watching bucking horses and I loved watching bull riding. I loved watching those things. Not only I, but James and all of us did. That was pretty easy for our club to pick up a theme and that's how we began.

We were doing real well and I'll never forget the first night we opened. Probably the most exciting time of my whole life, because so many people were there and we had to turn them away, and it had always been my dream to have Hank Williams Jr. play for us, for me.

[0:39:55.8] KM: Did he?

[0:39:56.7] BR: Yes. Yeah, 50 –

[0:39:59.3] KM: Opening?

[0:40:00.0] BR: $50,000 worth. He played.

[0:40:04.0] KM: BJ's was huge, and you had to turn people away. How many people would BJ’s hold?

[0:40:10.4] BR: Don't hold me to this, but seems like it would hold 3,500, or 3,900 something like that.

[0:40:16.3] KM: 4,000 people.

[0:40:17.5] BR: Or close to it. We had people turned. He did not play the opening night. He played, I don't remember, two, three weeks later. We got in there good. Anyway, the fire marshal I was going out the front door and I saw the fire marshal coming and he made a pass through and he came back with his back to the crowd and he said, “Bob I'm going to step outside the door. Do not let another soul in this club. Every time two people come out, the next two that come we’ll let one person in, till we get the number down. You are at a very, very dangerous situation.” He said, “If you let another person in, it's over the number that I'm telling you, we’ll close the door.”

Really. We did what we could and got it. Got the crowd down. That's the way that the club was for a long, long time. In the night, we played Hank Jr. It was probably twice as bad. That's the way the people came. That was a dream that I'd always had too. We'll book names that people will recognize, we’ll bring names in that are up and coming that are good artist and hopefully, it will.

[0:41:50.5] KM: Bob Trout was jealous.

[0:41:53.3] BR: Yes, ma'am.

[0:41:54.3] KM: How did he had someone come attack you and how –

[0:41:57.2] BR: Well, there were several ways.

[0:41:58.2] KM: You’ve been in business like a year, I think when he decided to put an end to –

[0:42:01.2] BR: Well, not even that long. He started with want to sue us for copyright things and etc., etc. Of course, that was all handled and taken care of. It was just a long process and then one night, when I got off work and walked out the door, I was approached by a person.

That first night, I got out and they had cut my tires and I had a bad – I had a flat tire off of a bad tire, which I really thought was just happened. The second night is the night that the boy approached with a bat and I never thought nothing and next thing I knew, I was on the sidewalk, that bat –

[0:42:55.0] KM: Crushed your face.

[0:42:55.6] BR: Had crushed my face. He course broke and ran. As it all shook out and turned out, there were four people that played in it, actually five. One person that actually did the swinging with a bat and all the other stuff, but Bob had hired those people as it was proven in court.

[0:43:18.1] KM: He said, “Either kill him, or make it so he could never speak again.”

[0:43:21.4] BR: Yeah, that's what they had said.

[0:43:23.8] KM: You forgave the young man that – the man that swung the bat and hit you. You forgave him in court. You asked for leniency.

[0:43:31.4] BR: I did. That whole situation, I don't really know how I want to try to explain it, or how to explain it. This fellow and I'm not going to call his name, because I pray that he has done what I wanted him to do and that is to become a citizen that could get by in life and do stuff the right way. His brother and his aunt, might have been his mother, but they were so sweet and kind to me. His brother is the reason that he was turned in. He took him and took you to the county jail and had him tell the story.

I had so much respect for them. Number one, taking your brother and knowing you're going to go to the penitentiary for what he's done, and his mother, or his aunt, and they've no one the same and still has, still stood on the right principle of life.

[0:44:47.5] KM: Wow, that's great.

[0:44:48.6] BR: It is.

[0:44:49.5] KM: It is right. That's great.

[0:44:51.4] BR: It became where I had a lot of love and respect for them. It also went – I wanted to help.

[0:45:00.9] KM: How long did he do in penitentiary? How long?

[0:45:03.2] BR: He was down there about two years.

[0:45:04.2] KM: That's pretty good. What happened to Bob Trout?

[0:45:06.6] BR: He went to the penitentiary.

[0:45:07.8] KM: How long was he?

[0:45:09.3] BR: He was, I believe sent down there for 12 years and I don't remember see how much time that he served there.

[0:45:18.5] KM: Who found you on the parking lot?

[0:45:21.1] BR: The guard that worked at the station when after they hit me and I went back inside.

[0:45:27.6] KM: Oh, you went back inside?

[0:45:28.7] BR: Yeah, yeah. I got up and walked back in the door.

[0:45:31.4] KM: I thought you couldn’t breathe, you had to be

[inaudible 0:45:32.1]?

[0:45:33.8] BR: Well, that was later at the hospital. Yeah, that was true. I got back inside and of course when he looked at the piece, he said, “Oh, my God.” He got ambulance as in –

[0:45:48.7] KM: Got you to the hospital. How long were you in the hospital?

[0:45:52.4] BR: Well, when I got to the hospital, they did all their tests and the stuff they had to do. I'm not allowed to yet. Some of the worst pain, probably.

[0:46:01.3] KM: Really? Pain meds couldn’t even stop it.

[0:46:03.7] BR: No. Not at that time. He got his money's worth on that part, but they – the medical people, they took me to Baptist Hospital and they were just tremendous. I can't tell you how kind and how good that hospital treated me and my family and how well they got, how quickly they got me back up.

[0:46:28.1] KM: You were in there for three weeks.

[0:46:30.1] BR: Well, that was the first time. Once they found out what all was wrong and all we had to wait for swelling to go down and then the surgery. Then I stayed and then we had to come back. They pull what they call the apparatus where they had put my face back together, and that make me look like Robert Redford, but you know why they – they did a tremendous job with what they had to work with. Anyway, it took a lot of time. You got to understand, when you’re in those situations, you're awfully bitter at first.

[0:47:14.4] KM: Really?

[0:47:15.1] BR: Awfully bitter. As time wore on, I looked at it in different eyes. I remember someone that I loved a whole lot patting my hand, an old lady and she said, “Just always ask yourself what would Jesus do? Or you think about it, you know what he did.”

[0:47:42.3] KM: Forgave.

[0:47:43.0] BR: You bet you. You also know what he went through to forgive and you know what he went through to say, “My God, my God. They know not what they do.” We going on and we went through the court system and some of it worked fine, some of it don't. All of the participants, they went to the penitentiary and got their time and then when they started the parole system in their favor, they – I would go to the court and tell them what I thought and –

[0:48:17.5] KM: You asked for leniency and forgive them.

[0:48:20.0] BR: I did. I did.

[0:48:20.8] KM: That's how the recovery affected you. It deepened your faith.

[0:48:25.8] BR: Well, I have always been brought up with knowing that there is a supreme being that controls everything that we do in our lives, and I believe that with all my heart. I don't believe that people just come here and die and go away. Everybody has the right to believe, but that bit the way they want to, but that is what got me through my life, all my life.

[0:48:54.0] KM: A purpose-driven life.

[0:48:54.9] BR: You bet you, for everything. My children came to me for a reason. I didn't have a one of them planned, but they all came. Susan, she came into my life for a reason, and that reason has been to be the lady and wife that she's been all these years and put up with the foolishness that I dish out.

[0:49:19.5] KM: You have a lot of lives brother. Okay. All these is happening to you and your partner at BJ’s, not long after you get beat up, his wife has a car bomb placed in her car that she escapes. It was just minor scratches. Then she is murdered in her home in West Little Rock. Everybody thinks these are linked together.

[0:49:47.4] BR: Well, there's lots of so-called theories and opinions. I’ll be straight up with you, opinions are like rear-ends. Everybody's got one. I don't know how much all of the stuff is tidy and I do believe and have always believed that there are avenues to all of it. There were a lot of people that were jealous as you were saying and just a lot of stupid crazy things that happened that shouldn't have ever happened and didn't need to happen.

Alice McArthur is one of the funniest, sweetest and one of the most decent women that I ever knew in my whole life. I love her and all of us loved her. She was the only way I know to tell you, you'd had to know her to been able to appreciate.

[0:50:49.3] KM: There were flowers delivered. She answered the door at 4:00 one afternoon and there were flowers delivered to her. Someone was still under the pretence that flowers were being delivered.

[0:51:01.1] BR: Right. It was a July 4th weekend. Or coming up on a July 4th weekend.

[0:51:06.2] KM: Right. She answered the door and we don't really know what happened, but when your partner –

[0:51:14.2] BR: Yes, I do.

[0:51:14.9] KM: You do?

[0:51:15.3] BR: We know what happened. Well, we know what we were told. They offered her the flowers, he pulled a pistol, or had the pistol under the flowers and she took off running and went upstairs. What happened from there, we don't know. There's different stories. Of course, the court records are available to anybody that wants to read them. Alice was brutally murdered.

[0:51:39.3] KM: They found her in the closet where she –

[0:51:41.1] BR: Yeah. She tried to hide. We all have our thoughts of that. Alice was the kind, she didn't run, but she ran that time because she –

[0:51:56.0] KM: Running for her life.

[0:51:56.6] BR: Running for her life and her children's life.

[0:51:59.8] KM: For people that don't know Little Rock, which Chris, you probably don't know about this crime, but it was a huge, huge subject for, I don't know, a long, long time. They finally convicted Mary Orsini who had mental health problems. Did you know her?

[0:52:20.0] BR: I knew Mary. When I say I knew her, we weren't – we didn't walk around holding hands, but I knew her, at least hi. Of how are you today, that stuff.

[0:52:34.6] KM: Well, she died in prison. She was convicted and she died in prison and when she – before her death, she confessed to hiring the hitmen –

[0:52:42.6] BR: That killed her husband.

[0:52:44.6] KM: She confessed to killing her husband in bed, her late husband. She murdered three times, but her last one she killed in bed. She confessed to hiring the hitmen that killed Bill McArthur's wife, Alice, and because she thought there was some romantic – I guess romantic.

[0:53:04.3] BR: Bill was an attorney and he was her attorney. I don't know anything about –

[0:53:11.1] KM: She got some romantic ideas that if she could get Alice out of the way, he might be – Delusional. She was completely delusional.

[0:53:20.3] BR: Of course I, like you say, she came to her senses and confessed everything that she had done. That’s not hidden. After all of that stuff – I looked and I saw three children that I have and I realized they were all little at the time. I'll never forget my daughter and Robert, my youngest son Peyton and saying they hated Bob Trout. That broke my heart. I never wanted to hear, “I hate you,” coming out of a two-year-old’s mouth. That you could hardly understand, but you could understand what that child was saying.

I think in my mind, I started trying to turn my life to make my children realize there's things in life that you're not going to like, but you are going to hate, but you don't – you've got to find a different way to say it, I guess. I don’t know.

[0:54:35.7] KM: Yeah. That the hate will only hurt you.

[0:54:38.5] BR: That's right. It does. Hate never –

[0:54:40.2] KM: It’s insidious.

[0:54:41.3] BR: Hate never does anything good for you, or the people that you are –

[0:54:46.1] KM: They say it's like taking poison. Hate is like taking poison and thinking it's going to hurt the other person, I think that's the way they say that.

[0:54:55.1] BR: It don't.

[0:54:56.0] KM: It doesn't. It doesn't.

[0:54:57.0] BR: That hate, you just – I don't know. I just don't have room for hate.

[0:55:03.4] KM: Well, Bill McArthur is gone. Is your other partner gone also, Nelson?

[0:55:06.6] BR: No. No, I haven't spoken with James in quite a while, but last I heard he was still kicking and I'm sure I've heard to be if he had gone a different way.

[0:55:16.6] KM: I want to tell everybody that you're listening to Up In your Business with me, Kerry McCoy and I'm speaking today with Mr. Bob Robbins, DJ and host of Little Rock, Arkansas, a morning show on The Wolf 105.5 FM. You can hear him probably not tomorrow morning, because it’s Saturday, but Monday morning you'll probably be back down there at the station won’t you?

[0:55:31.0] BR: Yes, I will.

[0:55:32.4] KM: I figured you would be.

[0:55:33.1] BR: I’ll have all my clothes on.

[0:55:37.6] KM: We've talked about a lot of stuff. We talked about – for people just tuning in, we talked about your life as a young man, full life as a young man, we talked about your full life as a radio career, we talked about your full life as an entrepreneur at BJ's and how all of this has turned you into this religious person who believes in forgiveness and has deepened your love for mankind, because you understand that that's important. How many lives do you think you have, Bob, because you ride horses and motorcycles?

[0:56:04.0] BR: As many as God lets me have. I'm going to take advantage of it.

[0:56:07.1] KM: Are you still up for hire for special events? I know you and I have done some remote broadcasting together. Do you still do that?

[0:56:12.9] BR: Yeah. I’m out every Saturday. I'll be out tomorrow.

[0:56:15.8] KM: Oh, where are you going?

[0:56:16.9] BR: I’ll be getting a truck, or a car away, your choice.

[0:56:20.9] KM: Oh, nice. If you are qualified and your name is drawn, you can either pick the Lincoln, or the F-150 Ford pickup truck.

[0:56:27.8] KM: I’d love both of those.

[0:56:28.8] BR: That's going to be at the party forward. Now you have to be already drawn and qualified, except we'll draw one more tomorrow.

[0:56:36.5] KM: McClarty and Landers are business partners. Guess who's on the radio next week, because that just a perfect segue into who's on the radio next week Chris?

[0:56:44.2] CC: Well, that's going to be Steve Landers from Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram.

[0:56:47.2] BR: All right, with Steve. Don’t believe a word he says about me. You ask him no questions.

[0:56:53.6] KM: I love talking to you Bob, always. We always meet up. I was telling everybody at the beginning the show, we always meet up on Flag Day out on the iHeart parking lot to give out flag. Next July, we’ll be together again.

[0:57:05.1] BR: Oh, we're close to being over.

[0:57:06.2] KM: Is it June? Yeah, we are. Why?

[0:57:07.8] BR: Well, because I just wanted to say thank you.

[0:57:09.9] KM: You're welcome.

[0:57:10.8] BR: For letting me come. The subject that we're talking about is not one that we can cover in an hour.

[0:57:17.0] KM: No.

[0:57:17.9] BR: I know that I personally spent weeks in court on my particular issue and I know that Bill and his family and friends, they were in court for a long time. It's not a story that you can capture in a book. It's going to take a long time. I remember a lady named Jan Mins. It's a very sweet lady in person, but she wanted to talk to me and I had to tell her, I said, “Jan, it's like everybody has opinions, and what happened in my situation, I'm not going to talk to about it,” but at that time was of course way back, which she wanted to write a book. I said, “There's so many things that will probably come out, or surface that happened, or didn't happen. I just don't want any of the people that I love with half-truths told on them.”

[0:58:22.7] KM: Yeah. Opinions.

[0:58:24.0] BR: Yeah, yeah, opinions.

[0:58:25.1] KM: Did you read her book?

[0:58:26.5] BR: No. I never read it. Like I say, I –

[0:58:29.9] KM: I think it's called Murder in Little Rock or something.

[0:58:31.8] BR: Yeah, I think the world of her.

[0:58:36.8] KM: You don't know if she got her – if it was just an opinion. Nobody knows what’s right. That’s the thing about it.

[0:58:41.3] BR: Well, the thing is that we’re involved in it, that we know it right. I don't feel I have the right to walk around and talk about that, about Alice, or about someone that was involved, myself.

[0:59:01.6] KM: You can talk about Bob Trout all day long.

[0:59:02.8] BR: That's right. I will. The thing is that I know that he did who was responsible for. I have to say Bob Trout. When I was an employee of his, the nicest person in the world, never had a cross-word with him, or anything, but that was then.

[0:59:24.3] KM: I got your gift. Thank you for saying that. I got you a gift. Look, it's coasters with a cowboy and a flag on coasters.

[0:59:29.7] BR: Oh, thank you.

[0:59:30.9] KM: They said it looks like you Bob with a hat on.

[0:59:33.3] BR: Yeah. I tell you what, its things that I love, I’ll tell you that.

[0:59:36.7] KM: It is. The flag, country music, cowboy hat, cowboy clothes.

[0:59:41.0] BR: I'm like a president. I don't take a knee. I never have. I never will.

[0:59:47.9] KM: Thank you Bob and Chris for joining me today and my listeners today.

[0:59:51.4] BR: You've been sweet to let me be here. I appreciate it.

[0:59:54.3] KM: You’re welcome. To our listeners, thank you for spending time with us. If you think this program has been about you, you're right, but it's also been for me. Thank you for letting me fulfill my destiny. My hope today is that you've heard, or learned something that's been inspiring or enlightening and that it, whatever it is will help you up your business, your independence, or your life. I'm Kerry McCoy and I'll see you next time on Up In your Business. Until then, be brave and keep it up.


[1:00:21.0] CC: You’ve been listening to Up in Your Business with Kerry McCoy, a production of flagandbanner.com. If you missed any part of the show, or want to learn more about UIYB, go to flagandbanner.com and click “Radio Show.” Or subscribe to her weekly podcast wherever you like to listen. All the interviews are recorded and posted the following week with links to resources you heard discussed on today’s show. Kerry’s goal, to help you live the American Dream.


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